I think Keine has the best hat. It's still darn silly though.

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I want to try having regular discussions of characters. My hope is that we can share our ideas and consider new ways to write them.

I'll try to figure out how to run these as I go. For now, I want this to be a dialogue about different perspectives, so we should try to keep in mind that these are all subjective to a degree. This isn't about finding the "correct" interpretation, necessarily, only as many interesting ones as we can. I think staying aware of where our ideas on characters come from, whether canon, fanon, or personal headcanon, and presenting them accordingly could help reduce friction. In any case, please try to keep an open mind.

That being said, I think discussion here should also be a bit more detailed. I'm not interested in regurgitating memes about characters that had already gone stale in 2009. Please make a good faith effort to talk about what makes a character interesting to you or a way you think they could be interesting.
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Dancers and Okina excluded because they've already been rolled.

Rolling 1d4 => 2
1: Eternity Larva
2: Sakata Nemuno
3: Komano Aun
4: Yatadera Narumi

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A mountain hag who assailed the playable characters in their survey of the mountain during the events of Hidden Star in Four Seasons. Like others of her species, lives alone within her designated territory and doesn't take kindly to intruders. Possibly helps out people by at least getting scaring off the mountain if they're lost.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Nemuno_Sakata#Official_Profiles

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who's_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Nemuno_Sakata

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama-uba

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I wonder if it might not be time to take HSiFS off the rotation, considering all that's left are characters that are hard to say a lot about. Well, I suppose this thread is here to give everybody a fair shot, so maybe not.

Anyway, I like Nemuno from a design perspective and for her down-to-earth-ness, but she is someone who's hard to talk about. If we take her concept at complete face-value, then she literally never leaves her little patch of Gensokyo and only comes into contact with interlopers. In general, she comes off as pretty bellicose towards anyone coming into her territory, yet she also turns fairly outgoing and friendly towards them as soon as they beat her, if not outright hospitable. I can't help wondering if it isn't entirely true that she stays completely in place. It's even said in her profile that mountain hags have 'business-like' relations with other species, implying some kind of transactional dealings. Perhaps she hauls wood into tengu settlements? Maybe she hunts and drags in meat and hides? Maybe she shares excess from her foraging in exchange for booze or random trinkets? Or maybe she does any number of other more sophisticated forms of labour.

It does kind of make me wonder how she might be viewed by other youkai on the mountain. Obviously, they probably tend to view her as 'brutish' and 'primitive', but other than that, what impression might she leave on people individually? Would she treat tengu the same as kappa? Could anyone build a rapport with her? What would that even mean? What benefit would that bring to them? The fact that mountain hags are sort of their own special case among the Mountain societies, it does raise all sorts of questions as to their exact place.

In general, mountain hags are an interesting and diverse bit of Japanese folklore. Their stories vary so much from region to region that it's hard to really put together much in the way of commonalities. That very fact seems to play into why Touhou moun

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It only took a decade, but the old thread is now on autosage. That means it's time for a new one. Since we're starting fresh, I'll take this opportunity to clarify a couple of things.

>Recommendations?
There's another thread for that: >>17228.

>Pitching my nifty story idea? Talking about writing?
More of a topic for this thread: >>16503

>Arguing about Touhou canon?
Keep it here: >>16913

>Non-THP stories?
In general, whatever's discussed here ought to be on THP, but as long as it doesn't dominate the thread, stories from elsewhere are fine.

Now that that's all clear, get discussing.
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Nothing so trivial. It's their personalities. Their characterizations. What sequence of events bring out the feelings and thoughts about those things and them isn't really something I can suggest—that's up to you because it depends on the things you want to do with those characters.

Maybe I'm doing a poor job of explaining this but it seems obvious to me: I would like to learn more about who they actually are because one of the things that seemed clear to me from reading the story was that they were all hiding their actual thoughts and feelings because (plot) reasons. I want to see a little behind the curtain and it doesn't matter if it's their opinions on whatever trite things you listed so long as it's something that's important to them or their character. Again, not something I can suggest since only you would know what those things are. All I can offer is the most general setups for that like Aun sleuthing around, uncovering something that can't be avoided, overhearing something, being nosy, talking over drinks/tea, etc. since I can't know what you know and feel about the characters and what would come out.

If you can't do that, that's fine. I don't mind little vignettes as suggested by another poster and a clash with Aya in terms of reporting or managing the "truth" that's printed in any article could be interesting. My main interest in the story comes from the characters and their depictions and I can't tell you what they should be.

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In all honesty, I'm not sure if I can do what you're asking. Probably the deepest problem with the main story is that I figured out after a point that I don't feel secure in knowing much about the principle characters much less what to do with them. The plot, such as it was, was based on a couple of arbitrary answers to questions posed to me, and I'm lukewarm at best on those points now; the main thing stopping me from redoing everything is not knowing what I'd do instead. On top of that, I had (and still have) numerous wide gaps in my understanding of the characters that can't be bridged just by reading some profiles and manga. For instance, I couldn't tell you who Sanae is outside of her shrine maiden role; I don't know what she's actually interested in, what she normally does in her free time, how she feels about this thing or the other, etc. The foundations for all of those characters is shaky at best, and I don't know what concrete steps I can take to fix that.

So, I don't know what else to say. I can maybe string together something from suggestions about specific scenarios, and that's about the best I can do right now. Sitting still for a long time only continues to hurt me, so I'd like to somehow keep moving forward and eventually find some way of fixing the foundational issues, and I think the only way that's likely to happen is a process of doing and discovery. However, motivating that process isn't something I can do myself. What I'm doing right now is all I know to do at this point.

I'm sorry to unload all of this behind-the-curtain talk, but what you're asking touches right on a lot of the deep frustrations I've had with this story and writing in general.

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As I said before, it's fine if you can't. While I'm interested in what I'm interested, the simpler idea about the aftermath at the Hakurei shrine is also ok. I'm partial to a series of short notes/articles by Aya following attempts to interview the involved parties as a style and/or framing device. Though, perhaps, that might end up being more about Aya and her pushiness rather than the interview subjects (Reimu, Aunn, Marisa?, others?) themselves. Dunno what the other anon might think.


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It’s been a while since we’ve had a general themed writing event. And since it ain’t gonna organize itself and no one else is stepping up, here goes my attempt. I’ve formatted the details in a questions and answer format below for your convenience:

How do I participate?
Write and submit a short story that incorporates the themes in some capacity when the submission period opens up.

How long do I have to write something?
A month from now. A thread for submissions will be created on 2024-06-02 and let’s say that there will be a 48-hour submission period that follows.

What do you mean by themes?
As implied by this thread’s title, the stories ought to incorporate something regarding fate and/or luck (or, more generally, fortune.) What this actually means in practice is up to each writer but I feel that is both vague enough to allow for all sorts of creative interpretations as well as specific enough to allow certain scenarios and things to happen and for the story to qualify.

You lost me or I don’t have much of an imagination. I need more concrete examples.
That’s not a question but I’ll indulge you nonetheless. Here is a list of scenarios and implementations that I’ve come up with off the cuff as that would most definitely count:

• A villager takes a shortcut on their way home one day and has an unexpected encounter that changes their life forever
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Anonymous reviewer. My opinions, humbly submitted for your perusal.

Takeo the Lucky, Written by Kosuzu Motoori for the Good Children of the Vi(scounty of Bragelonne)

WAHOO!

Nah, Kosuzu wouldn't write like this. I see what you're saying about the metafiction angle but it's distinctly purposeless at every layer of metafiction. Within the story itself it's just "flavourless OC dude gets doted on by out-of-character 2hu girls"; one layer up there's no hint of why Kosuzu would be motivated to write something like this or how it's received in-universe or anything like that; and at the top layer there's nothing being conveyed between you and I by the use of this device except that you liked some books you read that used it and you wanted to try it out for yourself.

Well, if you enjoy the conceit of meta-fictional works being purportedly transmitted to the reader through the author as an intermediary, I'd recommend maybe picking up, say, Don Quixote? Pseudotranslations were rather common historically, both as wink-wink-nudge-nudge sorts of affairs (as in the case of Don Quixote) and as deliberate acts of deception, since "older = better" was the default view on written works for such a long time. As far as more modern pseudotranslations go, there's of course a few famous ones by Borges, and (just off the top of my head) Michael Crichton's Eaters of the Dead, maybe? Anyone else wanna chime in?

Gamblers Deliᵹꞇ ~ Bꞃiᵹꞇ Fꞃiᵹꞇ

Tell tell tell you're telling too much and not showing enough. I dunno. It's just kind of bland? Like I'm reading "Sannyo REACTS to stuff happening in her gambling den". Stuff happens but I don't feel invited in at all because it feels like someone DMing their own roleplay or something. It feels like the investment is supposed to come from, like, who gets the social upper hand in this ex
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LETTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY LIBERA ME FROM THIS SWEATY SUMMER HELL

Hmm. What do I say? There's frankly a lot of, like, uncanny phrasing and word usage throughout that feels like the sentences were worked over with tweezers and stitches rather than a brush, which sort of kills the flow and makes it kind of hard to follow. Like: "a puff from the kiseru twinned with a gesture [...] drew the eye and disabled the thinking mind". Classic garden-path effect—without commas setting off the reduced relative clause, "twinned" is apt to be read as a main verb, leading to disaster when the reader hits "drew". Or "it failed to register with the lascivious levity that was intended in the mind of the dazed man": "in the mind of the dazed man" is of course meant to modify "register", but the closer verb is "was intended", and it again takes a moment to correct the attachment. "deftly damped down on the red embers with fingers moistened by an ashen glob of saliva until it extinguished": "until it extinguished" meant for "damped down", but overtures made towards "moistened" instead.

Or in this sentence: "their focus turning to the >>seemingly<-effortless< manner {that she would turn her head {as if to follow her own enticingly private thoughts or to fix a wayfaring strand of light-colored hair {that happened to find its way across from the >>otherwise< orderly< gathered clump {that flowed from a royal yellow bow atthebackofherheaddownbelowhershoulders}}}}". The parts highlighted with >angle brackets< point out interjected low-content adverbs modifying adjective phrases which in turn are interjected between the "the" and the noun in noun phrases. These are non-trivial syntactic operations, which can be used for effect but which it's better to limit, particularly for low-content applications (unlike in e.g. "enticingly private"). They're kind of everywhere in this piece, and two in the same sentence
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There must be confusion here, the number of people who refer to Chinese characters as hieroglyphs on the internet should be non-singular.


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Last night, I floated an idea in the Discord about a fun thing that could be done for the season. My main resistance to setting dates and posting a thread is that participation on the site is way down compared to before across the board. The last contest was surprising in how many people actually submitted entries, but it still wasn't on the level of previous ones.

That in mind, I figured we ought to have a thread where we can bat around ideas for things like contests and try to gauge interest/potential engagement before committing. If you have something you'd like to see done on the site, toss it out there.

I'll keep my thing separate of the OP.
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1) Did you participate in the exhibition as either a writer or a reader? If so, why? If so, why not?
I did not participate. the theme just didn't grab me, and without a prize there was no reason for me to participate if it didn't grab me.

2) How often do you think that these types of events should be held? (eg twice a year, three or four times a year etc)
anywhere from two to four, depending on momentum.

3) Did you think that the theme was interesting? Why or why not?
Personally, it felt like it was a combination of almost too vague and too specific. It says a lot that about half of the stories zeroed in on gambling as a theme. fate could be literally anything, luck very few things.

4) For future events should the theme be more specific, broader, focused on specific characters or locations, or something else?
I don't think the theme's specificity is a problem, just the topic itself was more pigeonholy than it might seem at first glance.

5) Does not having a prize or voting for a winner like with previous contests better or worse? Or does it not matter at all?
It can be a deciding factor. It definitely was at least partially that for me. but i think it did fine.

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>lead-in short by the host/writer
The thing with this is that the host often participates as well, and entrants generally (are supposed to) remain anonymous until afterward in hopes of reducing audience bias. If THP had a more numerous and (consistently) active userbase, I might agree that something like this could work, but it sounds like this is basically 'host sits out', which wouldn't help the numbers problem. In any case, I'm not sure I see how it would necessarily lure people from 'other places'. Why does it need to be something the host does? Why does it have to a piece purpose-written for advertisement? I think efforts would be better spent recommending existing things on THP if convincing others from elsewhere to come here is the concern, to be somewhat blunt; ideas as to the 'elsewhere' and how best to reach out are always welcome, as we've not had any real concerted advertising/recruitment efforts beyond some writers independently cross-posting to some place.

>October event
I have no real opinion either way. Go for it if you think you can. Perhaps test out the host-written lead-in idea and see if it works, too.
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1) Did you participate in the exhibition as either a writer or a reader? If so, why? If so, why not?
Initially planned to write but did not complete an entry. I also wasn't satisfied with the concept I had. Honestly, I don't have enough time and energy to do everything I want, and I chose to give other things priority. I feel bad that I did so, though. I think that I struggle to write something to fit a predefined theme, which is a major obstacle for completing a story for events unless I already have an idea in mind that fits.

2) How often do you think that these types of events should be held? (eg twice a year, three or four times a year etc)
I think 3 times per year is a good pace to try. I don't have specific times in mind.

3) Did you think that the theme was interesting? Why or why not?
I thought the theme of fortune and luck was good. Having things be uncertain is a universal experience that can resonate with an audience in any number of ways, from outright games of chance to making more mundane decisions in money, career, school, romance, etc. - the stuff you see on omikuji, which would have been appropriate for the setting. Really, I think that the limiting factor for these events as a whole isn't the choice of theme, but the imagination and skill of the writers. As others pointed out, most of the stories used gambling as the main means to include the theme and left it at that. My opinion is that only one story had something to say about the theme of fortune itself, and the rest ranged from having it on a superficial level to approaching the finish line but not crossing it. I noticed a trend in the entries of spending significant attention on detailing the rules and minutia of the game featured. I don't care in the slightest about games of chance in of themselves; in this context they are merely devices for discussing the theme of the story - what it's supposed to be building up to from the beginning. I care about fortune itself and whether the story had something interesting to say about that.
Concrete examples of ways to approach the theme, in addition to a clarification of the theme itself, were included in the OP for the contest to addr
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It is time. A time. A good time. For what? For Imba as Fuck, a 2024 Lewd Shorts Writing Competition!

The terms are simpler by far than last year's, so do not fret. Indeed:
- You've got 5 weeks, till April 7th, to work on your entry.
- The submission window this time will be 3 days, from April 7th through the 9th, to avoid early gun-jumpers's entries going stale while the thread sits mostly inactive.
- 1 theme
- 1 entry per author
- 1 vote
- The voting period will last a week as usual, from April 10th till the 17th.

So with that in mind, your theme this year is:

- IMBALANCE -

In brief, there is to be a gap between the storied participators. You may interpret this however you wish; from an imbalance in age, perhaps with a dash of May-December romance, through an imbalance between their literal powers to a figurative imbalance of power in the relationship. Abuse of authority. Forceful seduction. Shameful submission. Interclass trysting. You are at complete liberty to interpret the theme however you wish, as are the readers to grant you their vote of confidence. Hell, write about Seija turning a man into a perrenial lucky pervert by messing up his sense of balance. It's all fair game in the meta.
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Step- I would be fine enough with if it's not too central. Outright and actual is not my ball game.

The pics look amazing, by the way!
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Got you. No Mike showing her littermate the rapes. I mean, the ropes.
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The prize has been delivered: >>/at/41374

Thus I declare the contest closed.

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The old thread's too old to be bumped, so I thought it might be nice to make a new one.

I think the basis of THP should be loving a) the Touhou Project and b) reading about characters or situations pertaining to it, and part of having a healthy community is a willingness to share what you like. So, honestly, even if you feel like 'everyone in the world' has read something, why not try to push it anyway? Celebrate the things you love! Maybe there's someone out there who somehow hasn't heard. We don't all run in the same exact circles, after all; it'd be pretty boring if we did.

This thread might seem a bit redundant when we have a more general story discussion thread (>>13108), but I feel like this thread should be more about sharing stories and making others aware. Sure, there can be a little bit of crossover in discussing or questioning what makes a story noteworthy, but anything particularly heavy would be better off going in the other thread.

Also, if you want, you can recommend stuff that isn't from THP. It'd be better if it was from here, but it's better to share what you love than not.

To start things off, I'm going to make a recommendation that I've made before and won't stop making: Theater of Youth (https://www.thp.moe/others/res/44424.html).

It might be easy for some to dismiss it off-hand because it's 'a high-school AU', but that's a mistake. There's been a lot of care put into this story by its author, taking pains to not just transplant the cast of the Touhou Project into a notionally different setting, but to convey the circumstances and facets of those characters and express them as they normally are in a new setting. It's not just a what-if exercise but a joyful celebration of, among other things, VNs and anime of the '80s and '90s. It's also a real breeze to read at a thousand words an update
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Minor correction for the OP:

The old story discussion thread is now autosaged and a new one has been created at >>17303.
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At random, I had a re-read of Summerfield's Tengu Hold 'em (>>/youkai/31720) and feel it's held up very well over the three years since its posting. I'd forgotten the dialogue being hilarious enough to make me actually laugh out loud, the ridiculous card game the cast of random youkai are playing, and the absolutely perfect ending. There's such a great showing of verisimilitude in the story that's hard to sum up in an easy way. It feels so true even if it's just a singular interpretation of the Mountain and its varied social relations. That it's not mentioned much, if at all, is a shame. Summerfield, thank you for the laughs; I sincerely hope for more at a later date.

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In the interests of keeping the recs thread clean and limited to recommendations, let's bring all other discussion of stories here. Want to have a protracted argument about why writer x is a faget who should die in a freak kitchen accident? Fire your shots here. Want to complain about story y not having enough (or too much, if you're a sissy) grimdark tentacle death blood rape? By all means, make your voice heard here. Just keep it germane to THP stories and we're all good.
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I'll also just add that people get hung up on tiny little details about characters and whether or not things match them when, honestly, I think they should be more worried about whether or not the characters "feel" like who they're supposed to be, which is a whole separate thing from "muh lore". So even if things get contradicted or whatever by some new chapter of a manga or a new game or whatever the fuck, as long as it's not a lazy archetype with a nuhu's name pasted on, it really doesn't matter. I mean, there's people who don't even care that much about that, so it's not like "not being true to the REAL 2HUS" is going to lose you readers. TL;DR: stop worrying and learn to love the nuhus. Also, most characters don't get that much follow-up by ZUN, so half of anything is going to be made the fuck up anyway.
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I read it 10 years ago and loved it so much. I reread it a few days ago and it definitely holds up well. Some minor issues with pacing (sometimes spending an entire post dedicated to sorting books in a library) but all the details I remembered about it were just as perfect as they were when I first read it.

Princess Tepes does a great job building their own unique rendition of the SDM. The fresh take on all the SDM residents and their backstories, along with the seven named fairy maids, make for a lovable cast of characters that I miss now that I'm done reading the story. And you can't write a better Flandre than Princess Tepes' Flandre.

Everything from Kay's appearance onwards is perfect - it's incredible that the author was able to write a perfect ending considering the format of stories on this website, with the readers derailing any plans the author might have.

10/10, would read again in another 10 years.
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I better see a Mike story from one of you knuckleheads for the coming exhibition.

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Starting this thread so that we can get some discussion about things in the touhou canon and various interpretations of the things stated in the official works. ZUN is consistent about a number of things but a lot of other things he outright forgets or doesn't care that much about (*laughs*). So I think it's useful to have a space to hash the occasional point of contention out.
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It's basically established that villagers are important to Gensokyo and youkai aren't allowed to harm them, but what about other villagers? Is it a matter of cosmic significance if a villager murders another, or is it just a statistic? Is there a significant effort to make sure it doesn't happen? To punish offenders? It seems like it would be in the youkai's best interest to keep humans from killing each other, whether on the level of individual murders or something like a civil war, so maybe it's another one of the many things they meddle in?
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>Is there a significant effort to make sure it doesn't happen? To punish offenders?

I mean, that's basically what we do out here in the Outside World all on our own. I don't think the presence of youkai would suddenly convince humanity that murder is hunky-dory all of a sudden. I mean, if you went out into the woods and found a leprechaun, would your first thought be to start going around killing everyone?
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>I don't think the presence of youkai would suddenly convince humanity that murder is hunky-dory all of a sudden.
Uh, not sure how you read that out of what I said, but that's not what I said.

I'm saying: do youkai have an interest in keeping villagers from harming/killing each other considering they're so important to Gensokyo? And to be clear, I'm not looking for an "answer" because there really isn't one. It's just wondering out loud.

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I don't feel so good...

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We’re well into October so we’re getting closer to Nanowrimo! If you don’t know what that means, let me enlighten you through a quick Q&A formatted as if I were having a discussion with the average THP user.

What is Nanowrimo?
It’s a yearly event where writers are encouraged to just write and try to hammer out the equivalent of a short novel during the month of November. On THP it’s also been a yearly fixture for a while, with writers encouraged to write a certain number of updates or reach a word count by the end fo the month.

Okay, what are the goals?
Usually it’s either 30 updates or 30,000 words before the end of the month. But, honestly, no is is going to insist on a hard number. Do as much or as little as you want and can. The important thing is to just go for it and write a lot even if the output isn’t perfect.

So it goes on through all of November?
Yep. Starts November 01 and ends on November 30. Thirty days.

Can I just dump a single huge post and be done with it?
You can split it in as many or as few posts/updates as you like. You’re old enough to make your own decisions.

Can I have multiple stories count?
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>>17096
I shitposted and voted, so I think I won
>>17097
>No you won't.
>spoiler
But I did
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>>17131
You forgot Summerfield. Even if his thing didn't span the month, he still finished, and that's worth something.


In all honesty, I didn't care that much for a lot of what was happening. It would have been nice if we had more Pantomime of Youth, but I understand life is a fuck. At least Summerfield's thing was interesting, and I still like Moral's stuff for what it is. I'd be fine with Bee's thing too, but there's not enough to really pass judgement, even though I don't care very much about the porn parts.
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>>17133
You can forget me; it's okay. You're definitely not gonna forget the next 5 months of winter, and that's comfort enough for me. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LETTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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