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13959 No. 13959
As some of you might have noticed, the site has a new front page and the default style has been changed from photon to chernobyl on boards. This is to make the site more accessible to newcomers but you'll be able to change the style to something else, as always, from the drop down menu at the top of every page.

There's a few changes that I plan on making to the site, including adding better support for small screens such as those on tablets and phones. The front page already scales nicely but rehauling the dusty old board code is an undertaking that will probably take me a while. I'm prioritizing something else at the moment, which I think everyone will be happy about. Nothing as visually dramatic, before you complain, and I promise it'll be good.

I plan on tweaking the front page some more in the coming days, fixing a few spacing issues and padding. But if there's anything else that you want to suggest that needs improvement or tweaking, I guess this is the thread for you. I'll promise to listen and tell you why or why not I can or cannot do something.

I'm also using the trip I use for writing as opposed to the admin identity because honestly it's less of a hassle not having to log in every time to post.
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>> No. 13960
Why the default color change? Dark letters on a dark background makes reading stuff here a bit more difficult in my opinion.
>> No. 13961
I tried changing the page style since I don't really like Chernobyl, but for some reason the change doesn't stick when I change boards. Anyone know why is this? I'm using Chrome if it's of any help.
>> No. 13962
... there's a front page?
Also, Chernobyl theme sucks. Too washed out.
Well gee I wonder where the problem might lie.
>> No. 13964
Viewing from a phone right now - works perfectly.
>> No. 13965
Can't say I'm wild about Chernobyl either. Photon's the easiest theme on the eyes out of all of them. The front page redesign's pretty nice, though. Seems more readable somehow.
>> No. 13966

Hey now...be nice. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to realize Google chrome installs multiple tools they can use to listen in on your home life, as well routinely submits user demographics and search histories back to Google in order to more finely turn advertisements.
>> No. 13968
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>> No. 13969
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>> No. 13970
I asked people who had never used the site before about the color scheme and they panned it universally. I wouldn't call black text on grey boxes dark though.

Might be a cookie issue. Styles (and posting passwords for that matter) are stored by cookies on the site. If you're using private browsing or delete all cookies, then it would keep resetting. I try changes on all major browser engines.

Yes, the front page exists and is actually important since a good chunk of hits go directly to it. So having a unified style across the boards that's both our own and not bright green is desirable. You're welcome to make something that isn't photon and has mass appeal. I'll add it - just like chernobyl and darkish were created by users years ago.

I honestly think that people were just too used to photon to realize how grating it looks to a fresh pair of eyes. It'll always have a special spot in my heart but I honestly don't think it should be the default style.

The front page scales with the display area size. On larger resolutions it'll look like the second image. With smaller areas it'll look like the first image until it gets too small and switch to the mobile-friendly version. I'll be adding a few changes in the coming few days but it's unlikely to change too much. Adding spaces or gaps sacrifices legibility. It's a compromise between having all the information and looking okayish. If you want to have all the information without having to scrolling to the sides that's necessary.

The previous front page wasn't photon at all, it was just a mimic of (old) 4chan/futaba. If you want to have it as an alternate style sheet, go ahead and tweak the existing one's color and I will probably add it as an alternative.
>> No. 13973
I'll have to agree that Photon was really harsh on the eyes, and I find Chernobyl a refreshing change. No problems reading here--- muted colours are friendly to the eyes.
>> No. 13974
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Isn't it ironic that the chernobyl theme is the one that stops making making my eyes bleed?

That is to say, I like the change and I appreciate the work that you're doing. Looking forward to the cellphone changes.
>> No. 13977
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I can't understand why people don't love Burichan.
>> No. 13982

I'm using Darkish because it reminds me of the Princess Luna Color scheme on FIMfiction.net
>> No. 13983
>You're welcome to make something that isn't photon
But I like Photon. It's not bright at all, what the fuck are people talking about? I could paint the entire inside of my house with this colour scheme and it would be great.
>> No. 13984
Bright colors destroy your eyesight. White is one of the worst.
>> No. 13987
File 144602258014.png - (243.70KB, 1904x905, chernobyl 2_0.png) [iqdb]
Hey all. Would you all be interested in a changed (but not necessarily better) Chernobyl? I'm no CSS or design expert, but feel free to look over the image attached.
>> No. 13988
I really like the recently posted-in threads being higher up on the front page. It just seemed weird having the recent activity be crammed on the bottom of the page and this is a lot easier to access and makes the site look more active
>> No. 13989
... There are people who use styles other than Futaba and Burichan? Wow. The other three look utterly garish to me.

Anyway, consider putting the recently updated stories list on every page? Either the whole list, or a link to it in one of the menubars. I know you probably want people to look at the front page more, but having the list only available there is lamesauce.

Oh, and if you want to go really fancy, how about a different border color on the boards for threads with new posts? Or for new posts themselves? Not sure how doable that is, though.
>> No. 13994
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Update. I wanted to make a Darkish theme that actually wasn't literally black and white contrast. I was going for a softer look that didn't burn the eyes after an hour or so of browsing. What do you guys think?
>> No. 13995
Needs more dog. I think it looks okay at a glance though, I might try it out some time if it becomes an option.
>> No. 13997
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Spring made a cool style. I'm happy with how it came out.

http://pastebin.com/GTyPXfKi Just paste onto stylish if you want it.
>> No. 13998
Not bad. I'll have it as an alternative
Colorful and unobtrusive. A combination that's hard to get. Not sure I want Parsee to silently judge my posts though.
>> No. 13999
Sorry folks, that one was broken, making some of the changes appear globally on any site you went. This is the fixed one.

>> No. 14000
Would use, awoo/10
>> No. 14004
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This might not be the right thread, but here goes nothing.

I'm having some trouble with the site in FireFox on mobile. I dunno whether it's just something on my end, or if it's something with the site.
I tried with both Chrome and the default browser, and both displayed the site perfectly.

Saging because not feedback on changes to the site
>> No. 14005
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Made a new variation using Solarized Light as a base.
It's styled around appearing like paper and should be easy on the eyes in daylight. I might update it a little more in the next week or so.
>> No. 14006

Sure, I'm interested in best bird theme.
>> No. 14007
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Decided to hop on the style train myself recently.

For anyone interested in a dark blue skin, this is based on Photon.


You might have go about specifying the URLs to point only toward storyboards.
>> No. 14011
Thanks! Chernobyl as the default is a lot easier on the eyes. Somehow I never noticed that Photon had.

I'm excited seeing this place have updates... I want to tell all my friends about it now. Hm... I wonder if the boards themselves can be improved or something though? Not that there is anything wrong with them, but maybe there's something we just haven't noticed, like how nobody noticed that Photon was too grating.
>> No. 14012
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Working on your own CSS has become something of a fad in the IRC room. seems everyone is working on one.
>> No. 14013
Actually, sorry for the double-post, but I thought of bringing up another old topic... So, to all of you lurking around:

Are we ever going to get a name besides "touhou-project.com"? I know, I know, we're all used to it and none of us are welcome to change/new things. But honestly? The lack of a unique name makes it hard for us to stand out. We don't have a super creative and interesting title that sticks to the brain, y'know? Plus, it renders recommendations directed at this site to become confusing.

If you're worried about the url changing, we could have a redirect to the new url, or alternatively, have a new url that redirects to touhou-project.com. Furthermore, we could come up with something that keeps the abbreviation "THP." I know some people have already come to calling this place all sorts of things that start with those letters. (Tea Hat Party is particularly popular.)

So yeah. Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but if we're trying to improve things around here, it's certainly the right time.
>> No. 14014
The short version is: no, that's unlikely to happen.

The not-so-short version: The front page is made up of dynamic content (php). Every time you refresh it, it updates. The board pages are static (html) and are only refreshed when triggered, such as when someone posts. With javascript it's possible to make a script that fetches new elements and inserts them into a static page. But it's inefficient and clunky. There's newer server-side solutions too but to implement would require revising chunks of code and the underlying board software quite a bit, I think. We would be better off overhauling a lot more at once if that was the case.

I don't feel like typing out the more technical and detailed long version. Especially since I'm currently still trying to see what might work and what might not in regards to site improvements.

I dunno what that's all about. Doesn't happen to me on FF or Fennec on android. BTW the burichan stylesheet has a few primitive workarounds for mobile that will probably get changed up and expanded upon. I just haven't gotten around to doing more yet.

There's a few things I have planned for the site that ideally will be done in the next couple of weeks. Beyond that I think that we'd need to do more dramatic changes to the board software that will likely require a lot of time and patience. The thing is that I have to do all of this in my spare time as it's very much a hobby. So when life is being life I don't always have the spare time, peace of mind or motivation to work on improvements. I'd much rather give priority to writing since that's more fun and I want to keep up my fast daily pace. This is why the css tweaks haven't happened yet - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but stuff came up.

I'd appreciate it if you did tell your friends about the site, though. We do need new blood and any and all promotion is a good thing.

I'm not against having a different name or buying another domain. That's a discussion the community needs to have and decide upon. I don't want to force anything. If you have anything specific you'd like to run by me in private, you can find me on IRC.
>> No. 14016
I find the radiation sign in the bottom right distracting. As lovely as Okuu is, it's... on the nose.
>> No. 14018
Hey, ah, this is an awkward question, but... I can't find the IRC chat without the sidebar, noob that I am... How do I find it now?
>> No. 14019
Front page, 5th tab at the top.
>> No. 14020

You're a real (nationality of choice) hero, you know that? Thank you.
>> No. 14034
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Made a dark theme that follows my firefox style, based off of the nice darkish css from >>14007

What do you guy's think?

Also, if anyone knows how to change the hover colours for post numbers and backlinks I would really appreciate it if you shared~

>> No. 14035
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Quick update to >>14034 since I realised that the front page wasn't fully styled and looked pretty poor as a result, fiddled with it a bit until I got pic related

>> No. 14036
Not bad, friend. I really like the green on that style.

As for the front page, I got too lazy and just turned off the style for it. Good on you for fixing it~
>> No. 14064
This. I like the Chernobyl theme for the most part, but I dislike having icons in the background.
>> No. 14071
I dropped by to visit after a long time off, and I'm amazed at the new front page. It's much cleaner and more professional-looking now.

The site overall is just plain fabulous, as well!

Good Job, Teruyo!
>> No. 14131
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Hey all, I finally got around and fixed a few things about the CSS I was working on. >>13994 was the initial creation. Not too much has changed but I think this is good enough to release.


Check it out and stuff.
>> No. 14132
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This is how it looks to me.

If I had to nitpick, I'd say the greentext isn't distinguishable enough from normal text, which defeats its purpose. Other than that, it works well.
>> No. 14133
Some news. The style may not show up due to HTTPS. If you are browsing in HTTPS, make sure to edit the url-prefixes in the CSS source code accordingly.
>> No. 14134
making that fucking groove picture made me laugh uncontrollably for like five minutes, and the utter lack of reaction towards it angers me immensely
>> No. 14135

You've gotta' admit, that joke wasn't really all that groovy.
>> No. 14136

IRC isn't busted for anybody else, is it? If it is, is it because of site changes?
>> No. 14137
No and no. That being said, you shouldn't use the site's embedded IRC. Use a standalone client.
>> No. 14138
Apparently Mibbit doesn't serve https in its widgets unless you pay for it, so I've switched it over to kiwi irc. Should be fine now.
>> No. 14139

Thanks for fixing that!
>> No. 14140
Is there any way to not browse in HTTPS? It defeats my proxy and is generally slower over my shitty connection.
>> No. 14141
Speaking of which. The archived stories (possibly only older ones?) reference their stylesheets and scripts as HTTP, even when the page itself is now being served over HTTPS. Security flags get tripped everywhere, and nothing gets loaded.

By default this only happens for me on Chrome because Chrome sends an 'Upgrade-Insecure-Requests' header, which the server cheerfully acquiesces to. (Firefox will do the same thing soon, if it doesn't already: see FF bug 1243586. I may just need to upgrade.) This wouldn't be a problem if the server also sent the 'upgrade-insecure-requests' CSP directive* in return, but it doesn't.

* ("hey, browser, just pretend all the links and stuff in this thing are https, 'kay? thanks")

I suppose you could find some way to disable or strip the Upgrade-Insecure-Requests header on your end. It's almost certainly a terrible idea, but it's at least theoretically possible. (It'd be far better to fix your proxy setup to work with HTTPS, though.)
>> No. 14150
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Teruyo, what's up with this? I'm getting these left and right everytime I do anything. I had like three just trying to make the damn sadness thread last night, and I can't even load the homepage unless I switch to mobile data, else I get these errors.
>> No. 14152
Dunno man, not sure what's wrong there. It ought to be working on virtually every modern browser and OS. In the months before the change, I made sure to test on as many browsers and OSes as possible. Can't reproduce that error with firefox on my android phone. Could you tell me what it says under 'Technical Details'? In fact, tell me more about your setup such as OS and browser versions while you're at it. Feel free to talk to me on IRC about this too, since it might be faster to figure out in real time.
>> No. 14153
I'll not be home for another twelve hours ish, but until then I can tell you that I have FireFox v. 45.0.1, and am running OS version 45.0.1 on a pretty much new Driod Turbo 2. I'll get the technical details when I'm able to connect to my wifi again, but I can tell you that there wasn't any sort of "proceed" option on that screen,just some form of error I believe it was. In hindsight I really should have screenshot-ed the tech bit too before leaving.
>> No. 14154
*OS 5.1.1,I don't even know how that typo happened
>> No. 14155
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Teruyo, it's happened again. Here's the full thing this time.

Well that happened. I was trying to post this and suddenly my whole phone locked up and avast, MediaMonkey, and Firefox itself all crashed. What the hell phone why do you do this to me?
>> No. 14156
Unfortunately that's about as generic of an error message as it gets. And, since I can't reproduce the bug nor find something obviously wrong with your setup given the information you've given, I'm limited in what I can reasonably do. SSL/TLS is the kind of thing that's obvious if it isn't working right because both server software and browsers yell bloody murder if any one thing is misconfigured.

All of that said, I did tweak a few small things on intuition that ideally won't break anything for anyone else. Let me know if it still hangs for you. And, if it does, if the behavior persists with another mobile browser. Firefox is the strictest in some regards when it comes to defaults for encryption (which makes it all the more weird that I can't repro on either desktop or mobile as it's my primary browser).
>> No. 14157
Thanks for the effort Teruyo, but I had it again as I was loading this thread to read your reply. At this point in inclined to believe that it's something on my end messing things up. Before I post this I'll try to load a few boards through overchan and dolphin to see if either of them work where firefox doesn't.

Yeah, dolphin pretty much confirmed that it's on my end. Fucking fortiguard fucking sucks. I don't know why fortiguard doesn't give a blocked page for Firefox, but on dolphin your wonderful site is blocked under pornography. I'll be seeing about getting that shit removed ASAP. By the way, I wish all admins and customer service people were as prompt and helpful as you are.
>> No. 14158
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So are you being filtered by your network or is it a service you have on your phone? If it's a program you have, try disabling it before trying with firefox again. It may be their blocking of the domain that's messing with ssl being accepted as valid on firefox and causing all sorts of craziness.

Also, we totally are a pornographic site so I don't think any appeal will be successful. /at/ aside, there's erotic stuff in stories all the time and that counts insofar these services are concerned. Usually these filters are dns-based, so just for browsing using the IP address in the url bar instead of the domain name gets around the issue.

All this talk of mobile browsing reminds me of my huge to-do list for the site which I've ignored for months. Posting an image of a touhou is easier than actually doing any work, so I'll do just that.
>> No. 14159
File 146057015397.png - (99.47KB, 411x362, faggot.png) [iqdb]
>Posting an image of a touhou is easier than actually doing any work, so I'll do just that.
people like you are the reason why writers stop updating
>> No. 14161
>pornographic site

The fuck you talk about, this isn't porn, it's art. Why, just look at Scorn's old stuff. You can't tell me that's not artistic. Eh, I'll just Orfox my way through it, it's a network thing. I didn't want to use it because it fucking destroys my battery, but sacrifices must be made for the 2hus.
>posting a picture of a touhou is easier than doing any of that work
Teruyo plz.
>> No. 14162
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Getting a writer to update is pretty easy though. You just remind them that you're eager to read more, offer a few good 2hu images as tribute and he's sure to feel inspired. Failing that, you can always call him a lazy faggot that needs to get back to the plottan' fields. Even if he tells you to sod off, it's still better than no communication.

For you, my friend, another image. It's the least I can do.
>> No. 14163
File 146059810223.jpg - (308.58KB, 850x1239, Satorin.jpg) [iqdb]
Well at least it's Yuuka. Speaking of writing, I can't help but notice that you have this one story in /others/ that hasn't been updated since Christmas. Nigger, work, back to it, etc. It's been too long since I've read your things so I've forgotten your favorite 2hu, so have some happy triclops.
>> No. 14164
File 146060286457.png - (1.19MB, 887x934, classic flower.png) [iqdb]
Satori is alright but does little to set things in motion. Considering that it took around 3 months after my last post to get enough votes to continue, I'd say that there's a distinct lack of interest in my writing. And I can't resume a story with daily updates like it's intended to be run without readers, their interest and - most importantly - their votes. Out of my hands for the most part, I'm afraid.

More in-depth discussion about me, my stories and whatever else ought to be in some other thread. Let's keep this mostly about the site and the stuff that gets worked on.

That said: have yet another image because, why not?
>> No. 14235
File 146455563220.png - (395.77KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_20160529-165743.png) [iqdb]
Suddenly my phone is rendering the sites format like pic related. I use the Dolphin browser. Do you have any idea why this is happening?
>> No. 14236
>Reading YAF

Even your browser knows better.
>> No. 14238
Why is Blue nestled between /at/ and /words/ when I browse /th/, but nowhere else?
>> No. 14239
Whoops, didnt mean to quote
>> No. 14240
dunno, can't repro. Thought it might be a css thing but it loads up fine for me at various resolutions.

moved categories. /blue/ really didn't need to be a special snowflake considering its sister boards are long since dead.

Also, tweaked the front page a little more and should have a bit more consistent behavior. Still have more work to do on it but probably won't be done anytime soon.
>> No. 14242
>hiding a thread on /th/, /eientei/ and /border/ makes all threads beneath it vanish entirely
>this doesn't happen on other boards
how do you even
>> No. 14243
Oh, it also happens here, /blue/, and /at/.
I mean seriously what the fuck.
>> No. 14244
The thread hider is currently acting weird on /at/, /blue/, /th/, /eientei/, /border/, and /others/. Hidden threads prevent scrolling, and hiding the top thread hides the entire board.
>> No. 14254
File 146532059271.png - (14.63KB, 684x124, Immagine.png) [iqdb]
Teruyo, is there a way to move the "Hide watched threads" and "Refresh watched threads" icons at the top of the watched threads box like in pic related? Because right now it causes trouble with the links. I know I can just extend the box, but without that icons I can put more threads in less space. Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english.
>> No. 14260
The reason it's inconsistent between boards is because no one has posted on some of the boards since Teruyo changed it, and that's necessary to see the new location.

Specifically, the server generates HTML whenever a post is made, and keeps that until a new post is made. There's no point in re-generating the webpage if nothing has changed after all... but some things, like moving the boards around, don't trigger the update.
>> No. 14261
Done. Hope no one complains the change. And that's perfectly fine English, don't worry.
>> No. 14273
Teruyo is it normal that every time I shut off my pc my list of watched threads vanishes? The box remains there but it's empty, I have to add them again every time. I'm using chrome and I haven't cancelled the cookies...
>> No. 14276
You've probably got something changing your IP, if I had to guess - personally I've found that my watched threads seem to vanish and reappear as I move between internet connections.

Hell if I know why it's IP-specific, though.
>> No. 14293
I can't connect to IRC. I keep getting an "ECONNREFUSED" error. Is this a problem on my end, was there a recent change or what?
>> No. 14296
With the kiwi web client on the front page? It works for me.
>> No. 14373
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So, I vaguely remember someone at some point making a comment about there being more "color" boards than just /blue/ and /coriander/ and I decided to try some. Can someone tell me why, out of all the ROYGBIV colors, does Inidgo have a different colored 404 screen than the others?
>> No. 14382
You're using the night theme, aren't you? The color scheme is identical to the night theme. I don't know why, but I experience the same issue as well. Things like /red/ are normal, but /indigo/ is included in the css's criteria, somehow.

I blame not using regex.
>> No. 14384
I'm using the one you sent me, can't remember the name.
>> No. 14406
File 147430509113.png - (374.82KB, 1706x1040, Фотон.png) [iqdb]
Photon frontpage for you and for other folks who hate their eyes.
>> No. 14772
Added a pair of new themes, dusk and photon dark blue. They were made by two of our moderators, Moral and Alkarl. Pretty good stuff if you're into dark themes.
>> No. 14774
Dusk needs the best awoo image to work.

Also, I tried Isolex's (hard to find a image background that isn't intrusive) but it has errors (a few 'empty rules' whatever that is) but with my luck he's already disappeared from the face of the Earth.
>> No. 14937
I've added a "beta" CSS theme alongside a few tweaks on the board pages that should make the site a better experience for any mobile/small screen users. There are some things that are still rough around the edges/purposefully left unfinished such as:

-navigating between boards (will likely be a drop down menu)
-navigating between board pages (same)
-switching between CSS themes (that drop down menu will probably be moved/put next to the navigation one)
-a few misc positioning of items, like the posting mode indicator above the postbox
-actually switching in and out mobile view automatically on a first time visit

Those will be handled later after I get the more important bits ironed out. And that's where I need people who often use their phones to browse the site to pipe in. Select the 'mobile' CSS from the style selector and give me feedback on things like:

-Proportions of font sizes
-Spacing between elements
-Ease of navigation
-whether logos should be cropped/gotten rid of
-general usability/legibility

If something looks off please go into detail about what it is and how you think it can be improved. A screenshot is also potentially very helpful. I'm not exactly an expert on UI and aesthetics so I value any and all input. There's a lot that can use tweaking.

Make sure to mention if you're running an unusual resolution or something too. If you need to exit the CSS, there's a button on the bottom left of the page that should reset it back to chernobyl.

Normal desktop users: it'll obviously look weird for you guys, so don't bother looking with large viewing ports.
>> No. 14939
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First of all, thank you. I do most of my reading on mobile, and now I can actually read the text without zooming in or switching to landscape. The screenshot is on a 5" 1080x1920 phone, so you can resize it on your computer for reference.

>Proportions of font sizes
The thread titles/names are tiny, especially relative to the new post text size.

>Spacing between elements
It looks good to me.

>Ease of navigation
Most of the links are too small to tap properly. Currently, I have to zoom in on the list of boards to make sure I hit the right one.

>whether logos should be cropped/gotten rid of
I'm going to assume you mean the page banner. Those are fine, but I'd rather they not overlap with the watched threads box. Maybe you could re-size them to fill the width of the screen?

>general usability/legibility
I can read the text of posts. Everything else is secondary.

-The list of boards or the menu icon should float on the page as you scroll down.
-Larger image thumbnails would be nice.
-A notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updated would be amazing, but that's an unrealistic 'stretch goal'.
>> No. 14940

>A notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updated would be amazing, but that's an unrealistic 'stretch goal'.

That just sounds wonderful in general. Heck, even just changing the color of a board's name to show that it's the case would be wonderful.
>> No. 14941
Thanks for the feedback. I'm just replying to highlights where I can add clarity. In general, assume that I'm taking into consideration everything anyone posts in this thread.

>The thread titles/names are tiny
I generally agree. But this is something that may or may not change depending on how it looks on smaller resolutions (say, on slightly older phones).

>Most of the links are too small to tap properly.
Is this the case for links within the threads themselves (ie: links to other threads or external such as the pastebin link a few posts above)? That's more important to get right. I'm not concerned with the board list because that's just there temporarily.

>watched threads box.
You can resize and drag the WT box. Try that. It's otherwise not something I'll be taking into account right now and I've hidden away the button for it in the mobile css to begin with while I work out how board/css selection will work.

>The list of boards or the menu icon should float on the page as you scroll down.
This is the solution I had in mind and am looking to implement. It's not a guarantee and I may just go with static dropdown menus at the top and bottom. There's factors such as rendering times and page complexity to take into account. Too many bells and whistles and pages take too long to load and may not work properly on less modern devices. How the page is served was something designed over a decade ago and right now I'm working around limitations in a somewhat ugly way. I'm not prepared to do a partial or full rewrite right now because, when I do, I might as well change most of the backend stuff on the site.

>Larger image thumbnails would be nice.
Not going to happen, sorry. Would have to change too much old code around and how thumbnails are generated in the first place.

>notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updated
Not going to happen either. An overhaul of the WT functionality is something I had in mind but it's something relatively low priority. The mystery box, mobile stuff and a few other things all take precedence.
>> No. 14942

>small links
It's mostly the [Reply] link at the top of each thread, but it's pretty easy to fatfinger the image/image expand as well. Also, the link in "message too long, click [here]" is smaller than the rest of the text in that sentence. On the rare occasion that someone does two 'above posts' links one after the other, it can be difficult to tap the right one. The same applies to posts with multiple 'replies' links, but that is less important.

>resize WT box
I can resize it on my desktop, but not on my phone. I'm not in the habit of using it anyway; I just figured I should test everthing on the site.

>stuff that can't be done
I understand. There's only so much that you can do with CSS, and legacy systems are suffering.
>> No. 15099
File 150351722958.png - (5.54KB, 1321x251, error.png) [iqdb]
I think this is the most relevant thread to post my problem.

I can post images on /blue/ but not /others/. Tried it on my desktop (Chrome) and my phone (Safari). The error that comes up is "could not create thumbnail" and at the very top it says "unable to imagejpg."

Let's see if a screenshot of the error will post here...
>> No. 15100

Isn't the image just in use already on others but not blue?
>> No. 15101
I tried four different images, including the error screenshot I just posted. They all give me the same error.
>> No. 15102
Fixed. Let me know if it happens on other boards.
>> No. 15103
Very nice. Thank you!
>> No. 15137
I might as well post this here.
RSS feeds have been spotty or just not working at all for the past week or two on most of the boards. /th/, /eientei/, /others/, and /blue/ seem to be working fine; the rest are borked.
>> No. 15138
This post showed up, though. Maybe it varies per thread.
>> No. 15140
I haven't touched site code or server software in that time. I've subscribed to a few boards now to see if it works for me, but it seems fine so far. Would appreciate others weighing in.
>> No. 15141

I, too, have subscriptions working.


Have you tried reclicking the WT button?
>> No. 15142
Must be a problem with my own client, then.
>> No. 15197
Alright, so I've finally gotten closer to finalizing the mobile stuff for the site. The way it works now is that you can click on the "[Switch to Mobile Page]" bit on the bottom of any page to switch to the mobile view. Alternatively, the first time you visit the front page with a mobile device, it should automatically set the cookie needed for mobile view without you needing to do anything else (it doesn't set it again if you've explicitly opted out via hitting "Switch to Desktop Page" at the bottom).

There's a navigation bar that displays on top/scrolling up and you can switch to whatever css theme you like and it shouldn't make a difference.

As before, I'm looking for feedback on usability and whether there are any bugs encountered. Screenshot and/or resolution specifications are useful to me when suggesting tweaks. I obviously don't have that great a sense of aesthetic, so speak up or otherwise nothing will be changed. Don't be lazy, either. I know for a fact that there's a fair proportion of mobile users on the site. If there's no feedback in a while, I'll just assume all is good and move on to other stuff.

Things I already know about/am not touching right now:
-Watched threads in mobile view
-background color of navigation menu
-size of thumbnails
-mobile view not working on /i/ or the text board
>> No. 15198
File 150902363080.png - (312.59KB, 293x500, you versus the pet she tells you not to worry abou.png) [iqdb]
Good work! I've checked it out today and it looks good. Bigger buttons are always helpful but... could you try to make the "Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same size as the ones from the top?

The 'Site Navigation' menu seems hard to hit and those pop up things are not my cup of tea, but I use a very old cellphone (Moto G) so I doubt my opinion is shared by many, if at all.

Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open. If it is closed, it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part. I expected it to send me back to the top and open the reply window. If it is intended, then nevermind.

Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated? Sometimes, you want to make a point-by-point reply and I really don't want to alternate between the top of the page and wherever the post I'm replying to is.

Finally, and this might be unrelated, but I was using the .thp site to escape my work's proxy... but now the site is not filtered anymore. Did you do any changes related to that or my filter fucked up? Either way: happiness!
>> No. 15199
iPhone 6 here. Personally, I feel like the font size could be boosted on everything. Maybe it's just my aging eyes, but posts are just a tad hard to read. Additionally, the font size seems to vary between posts, so some show up smaller than others for some reason.

As to the navigation bar, I agree with the above anon that it's a little fiddly. Maybe it could just be persistent? It's also way too small, in my opinion. Another thing is a slight bug with it where going to another page, hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404. Lastly, it could probably use top and bottom buttons; the normal ones are small and awkward to hit without zooming in, and I use them a lot.

Ditto on reply weirdness described above. It doesn't seem to be inserting the post number at all in my experience.

Not a mobile thing, but I didn't know where else to address it: The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe. Not a huge deal but a bit of a gripe because I prefer the latter.
>> No. 15200
Addendum to the domain issue: When I posted just now, it redirected me to /gensokyo/ on Touhou-Project instead of THP.moe.
>> No. 15201
Addendum to the addendum: I just noticed that changing pages on any given board seems to redirect as well.
>> No. 15211
>"Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same size
Have removed them altogether, in the sticky menu now. Let me know if that's better or not.

>Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open.
It opens up the reply box now and scrolls up.

>it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part.
Actually a separate issue, but fixed all the same.

>Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated?
Not at the moment. I'm trying to keep things simple code-wise because of various reasons. Maybe in the distant future, after a few other site things are taken care of.

>not filtered anymore
That's not up to me.

>font size could be boosted
This is something that I'd rather have more people chime in on before changing any more.

>the font size seems to vary between posts
That shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce. Anyone else confirm? Failing that, any special details about your setup?

>hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404
Hopefully worked around.

>The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe.
sadly a lot of the board software creates hardcoded links. I was aware of this but it doesn't have a straightforward solution. Also happens with posting and changing pages as you have noticed. I want to fix that in a non-hacky way if possible but because of that it's a lower priority to other things.

Anyhow, please give feedback on the latest changes, I'm sure that it can use a lot more tweaking. Browser-based test tools I have access too can't capture all the idiosyncratic behavior of real mobile devices.
>> No. 15212
File 150965323369.jpg - (528.27KB, 750x1334, mobilefontissue.jpg) [iqdb]
>That shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce.

Attached screencap. It might not be super clear, but there is a difference in the font sizes.

>Failing that, any special details about your setup?

The screencap's from Safari, but I was observing it in Firefox iOS 9.2 as well. On an iPhone 6 running iOS 11.0.3.


Can confirm that the navigation issues have been fixed and that the reply box/replying behaves as intended. The size of the navbar is a lot better, and the additional buttons improve things considerably. The element/font size (scaling? I guess the site is meant to be at least somewhat responsive) issue aside, it's pretty usable now.

One minor gripe: Are /at/ and /blue/ missing from the navmenu on purpose or is that an issue with the setup?
>> No. 15213
File 150965336567.png - (258.57KB, 750x1334, mobilesizeissue2.png) [iqdb]
I realised after taking the last screencap that it doesn't seem to be just fonts that do this weird scaling thing. This one's from Firefox.
>> No. 15214
>/at/ and /blue/ missing
Oversight by me, fixed.

>font size issues
The fact that it happens on the storylist as well leads me to believe that it isn't the fault of the new stuff I've rolled out, as I haven't touched the storylist page at all. It may be an ios-specific issue or something particular to your device. Not discarding the possibility that there's something that needs fiddling the site's end and I'm going to see what I can find but, honestly, I have no clue where to start. This doesn't happen on any other site? In the non-mobile view?
>> No. 15215
>This doesn't happen on any other site? In the non-mobile view?

I went and checked a few other sites, including other imageboards; this was the only one that exhibited that behaviour. However, I did note that switching to desktop mode here showed the same issue. Not sure what conclusions to draw there, but there you have it.
>> No. 15216
the font thing isn't new at all, it's been a thing since early 2015 at least
>> No. 15217
File 151012143198.png - (503.49KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20171108-075209.png) [iqdb]
All the posts look like this to me, and the site starts zoomed in so they fit the screen, which is fine, except they don't resize back to fill it once I zoom out.
>> No. 15218
Which browser is that? I think that may only happen on chrome/blink-based browsers that I can see but I would like to make sure. Try Firefox (preferably, but if you try any other non-blink based browser that can also help) if you can as well, please, would help me narrow down problems.

With iOS, safari? Some other setup? More info helps me narrow down potential causes.
>> No. 15219
Eh, whatever, I think I've worked around it with the CSS equivalent of nuking from orbit + a little tweak in a script.

I'm still interested in finding out if there's other issues, particularly the conditions for the font size changing.
>> No. 15220
I'm still noticing the actual post elements being scaled down if they don't have a lot of text in them, but the text itself doesn't seem to suffer any notably ill effects for it now. I can live with it at this stage.

However, I did notice that the deal on the story list still happens.
>> No. 15221
Yeah, haven't touched the storylist at all. That's a can of worms that I'm avoiding at this moment. If the rest of the image boards are fine or don't have any horrible issues, then I'm happy with things for now. I've got to triage work on the site given my limited time and resources which is why I can't really promise to do much more without having more data by other people who are affected by this. I didn't even get a confirmation if it happened only on iOS from that other guy (I'm assuming you're the earlier guy with the screenshots).
>> No. 15223
Did you nix the board header pictures on purpose or is there something wrong at my end?
>> No. 15224
I did change something earlier but any breakage should have lasted for only a minute or two while board software did its thing.
>> No. 15225
Yeah, on firefox it looks just fine. I just switched, since I don't have any particular affiliation when it comes to mobile browsers anyway. Easier.
>> No. 15226
Well, I'd still like to know if there are issues on mobile chrome or if they've been solved after the changes I pushed yesterday. Seems fine on my phone, but I'd like to make sure.
>> No. 15227
File 151028941628.png - (239.19KB, 1080x1920, latest.png) [iqdb]
Okay, I downloaded and tested it again, and while the posts fill the screen horizontally now, they're stuck on an absolutely massive font size with apparently no possibility to zoom out. Zooming in even further works fine.

I don't know that it matters, but this is on Lineage OS.
>> No. 15228
File 151034625141.jpg - (962.79KB, 3000x4200, jii.jpg) [iqdb]
Thanks for giving it a look. Have a bloodsucker not being very subtle.

The way the mobile stuff works is that you should be able to see max width of content without zooming out, so that's working as designed. The size of the font is something that could use tweaking, as it seems that there are differences in how each rendering engine deals with it. This probably requires at least a partial rewrite of css as well as extensive testing, and even then it's probably not guaranteed that it'll look uniform across browsers. Because web """standards""" are wondrously magical things. At any rate, I'll try doing a cleaner and more verbose solution soon. For now, "good enough" (and bigger fonts for webkit) wins out because I don't really have the time in the next few days and, if I do do site stuff, I'd rather finish tidying up a few other loose ends first.
>> No. 15246
Hopefully things should look uniform across all mobile browsers now. It may break at some point in the future and, since I don't really use my phone to access the site (let alone blink/webkit-based browsers), you should let me know if that happens. Also let me know if there's anything else I have overlooked. If there's no other outstanding issues in the next few weeks, I'll make it so all mobile clients (not just those who visit the front page) default to the mobile view.

/i/ and /words/ have been locked and removed from the board list. No one really uses them and, in the case of /i/, the drawing plugin is incompatible with newer software and replacing that would take an unreasonable amount of effort. There are other priorities for the site I'd rather get around to first. You can still access either board and look at posts and images as those will be kept online.

Lastly, if you use the thp.moe domain to access the site, you may have noticed that hitting links, posting and a few other things no longer redirects you to the other domain. I fixed that a few weeks ago but hadn't gotten around to announcing it.
>> No. 15262
Can't enlarge images while viewing a thread. Filename is greyed out as though archived.

Still works when viewing the boards, though, so maybe not intentional?

Also, minor gripe from ages ago: IQDB links in archived threads are broken. Need to manually change 'http' to 'https' in the URL. Doubt you can do anything about it, but if anyone as dumb as me has trouble searching an image, there's the workaround.
>> No. 15264
>Can't enlarge images while viewing a thread
Fixed, was a silly extra closing tag that snuck by after I was doing other work on the relevant file. Even after reviewing and testing, small stuff like that can be hard to notice since the effects aren't directly related to what you were otherwise doing. So, yeah, thanks.

>IQDB links in archived threads are broken
>Doubt you can do anything about it
Makes sense they were, hadn't occurred to me. Trivial to fix: just matching a pattern and replacing it with another (takes a single command), so don't sweat it.
>> No. 15265
> fixed

Uh, no it's not? I can enlarge the first pic on each thread now, but the rest are still greyed out.

IQDB links in the archives work though, thanks a ton.
>> No. 15266
There was a second set, that's what I get for doing stuff right before going to bed. Definitely fixed now. How image expansion works is something I've wanted to overhaul for a while, just have to find the time.
>> No. 15279
Issue 1: For a couple weeks now the Watched Threads window hasn't been able to be changed in size or repositioned on seemingly any board but /i/. And, after changing in on /i/, switching boards leads to it going the the right as much as you made it wider. When I try to reposition it, it instead highlights it. When I try to expand it, it there are no expansion double-sided arrows at the edges.

Issue 2: For I think the same time, clicking M3 to scroll fast leads to the site going blank until I scroll again at a slower speed.

This isn't a mobile issue, and I'm using Chrome on Windows 7 if that helps.
>> No. 15280
1) I think I may have a rough idea why that isn't working. Sadly, not a quick fix. I'll put it on my to-do list but don't expect it anytime soon since I'll likely be touching other related bits of code at the same time. There's underlying code that needs to be rewritten that affects more than just WT functionality.

2) Can't reproduce this. Latest Chrome? Does it also happen if you drag the scrollbar up and down quickly? I'd appreciate it if someone else on w7 could confirm as I'm not running it.
>> No. 15281

Dragging scroll bar doesn't do it from the few tests I just did. Just M3 dragging, and only when it's done as fast as possible, it seems. As for version, it's not telling me I have any updates to install at the moment, so I think that means most recent.
>> No. 15284
File 151371049789.jpg - (35.58KB, 653x653, ___and a happy nue year!.jpg) [iqdb]
Yeah, I'd like to report a bug: The site is kind of infected with holiday spirit and is affecting my shitposti-HASHIRE SORI YO
>> No. 15287
Theme resets to Chernobyl every time I click on a link.

Gimme back my Photon you sneak thief.
>> No. 15292
File 15137840558.webm - (2.75MB, werks4me.webm) [iqdb]
Is your browser automatically deleting cookies or something? Because those are necessary for setting the style. Been working fine for me since forever and I'm on the site daily (see webm).
>> No. 15293
It's started doing it for me as well, and mine doesn't. Click the link to gensokyo or blue. Others may be doing it as well, mind.
>> No. 15295
tried FF, various chromium forks even seamonkey and navigated to every board. It works just fine, like in the webm I posted. Does that still happen in private/incognito mode? If it doesn't, there's something wrong on your end, probably a caching issue. Do a hard refresh (ctrl+f5) or clear the site's cookies/data in your browser settings.
>> No. 15296
Forcing you to have good taste seems more like a feature to me.
>> No. 15297
File 151381385178.png - (508.04KB, 771x900, good taste.png) [iqdb]
Purged all site data and did a hard refresh, it's working now. Thanks for the tip.

Green is love. Green is life.
>> No. 15301
File 151431812381.png - (82.03KB, 480x373, Pretty sure this isn't supposed to happen.png) [iqdb]
Nerf plz. Preview too OP
>> No. 15302
Please tell me what browser you're running in the future when reporting bugs. This was a browser-specific issue. Fixed, at any rate.
>> No. 15303
I see you too are a man of good taste
>> No. 15325
Suggestion: A "search threads" box for searching for thread names and contents within those threads... which might just go through Google when that is set up, but hey, searching for thread names is a whole lot easier than going through all ten pages of each board, IMO.
>> No. 15326

The story list and Ctrl + F too good for you?
>> No. 15328
The story list barely gets updated twice a year, y'know?
>> No. 15331
File 151666445088.jpg - (2.41MB, 2452x3120, patchy.jpg) [iqdb]
So with the mystery box on the front page opened, here’s a quick run down on how the system works:

Q: What is it?
At its most basic, it keeps track of the latest updates and prints them out on the front page. It’s a stepping stone to other things, still left mysterious for the moment.

Q: How do I use it?
Simple! There’ll be a small box in when you go to post labeled “update” which you have to tick. You’ll need a tripcode and it needs to match the one in the original post (OP).

Q: What if I think tripcodes are for jerks and haven’t used one when writing before?
Well, it’s your choice to opt out, but the system is set up so that random schmos can’t spam updates for established stories.

Q: Okay, your persuasive words changed my mind, how do I make it so the system works for me?
Easy, adopt a tripcode (something in the namefield that follows either a # or ! character) and then tell me about it. Probably faster if you talk to me on IRC, since I gotta do due diligence and make sure you are who you are by checking your IP but I guess I’ll also be checking this thread.

Q: Why the hell did it take you so long to do something so simple?
Well, it wasn’t that simple and there were a lot of other considerations and priorities I had to handle first. I'll probably talk about it some in the technical blog-y posts I put up on patreon.

Q: When will we see the box’s final form?
All in good time. It’ll go through a lot of expansions and changes as other pieces fall into place.
>> No. 15332

If the test succeeds, link it up.

Thank you.
>> No. 15333
I like it!
>> No. 15334
This is awesome. I will be bugging you on IRC as soon as I get a chance, because holy shit I will use this.
>> No. 15335
Done, my very paranoid friend.
Just to clarify: it will "just work" if you start a new thread or were using a trip all along. But I know that some authors use multiple aliases and write different stories under different ones. So feel free to ask me in private if you want that to remain under wraps. Or if you don't care but want a faster response, it's also cool to prod me. Else I'll just check the IP of your post here with a trip against the OP of whatever thread you link to and if they match, add a tripcode manually to the OP.

In case you haven't seen my posts elsewhere, you can contact me by talking to "Zer00" on rizon, I usually hang out on the channel #eientei. If you don't know how to use IRC, use the client on the front page under the IRC tab, just change the channel to #eientei (or /join #eientei if you're connected elsewhere).
>> No. 15336
well alllrighty then, this is the trip I use...

That said I wonder about my IP. I'm pretty tech dumb but basically, often, I'm out and about due to my work. I work in several places, basically, and don't always update from home. Also got two computers. /SHRUG
>> No. 15337
ah right it just werks cause I started with a trip, never ye mind then
>> No. 15338
Sweet. Didn't know that the 'mystery box' was ever a thing, then again, I did only join in mid-2017, so whatever.
>> No. 15339
Oh, I see. Well, then, fuck me up, fam.

Thread here: >>/youkai/29430
>> No. 15340
abracadabra and whatnot, done.
>> No. 15341
It's going to be a while before I get to a new thread. Hook me up for >>/eientei/28316 friend?
>> No. 15342
You got it, buddy.
>> No. 15343
Just posting to say that this is a clever thing to add. It was worth the wait, thank you Teruyo.
>> No. 15344
Though I bet no one cares in the least, I've changed the entries by "Zer00' to "Teruyo" on the new items as that reflects my capitulation and acceptance of using my penname for administrative things completely. Way back when, nearly a decade ago, I wanted to make sure my identity as a writer was wholly separate to that of an administrator. Doesn't really seem to matter anymore so, to avoid confusion from maybe the one person or so who doesn't know it's me, I'm keeping the penname.

Nice to hear, thanks.
>> No. 15346
File 151828675349.jpg - (333.89KB, 1920x1757, teach.jpg) [iqdb]
I decided to make public one of the occasional 'technical' posts I do on patreon. It's about the updated stories and some of the rationale and issues surrounding it. It might be interesting to some people, also explains why change tends to be gradual:


Probably not the best thread for this, but I didn't feel like bumping something not on the first page since it's likely to be a one-time thing anyhow.
>> No. 15350
Can I lead other TouHou Fans to here?
>> No. 15351
Yeah, go for it. I tell people to promote the site and stories if they can all the time.
>> No. 15352
Thank you very much. I'm glad to be able to communicate. But I'm terribly sorry, it's because of the network control rule in our side, it has a little bit strict. So I think there's only a small number of people coming.
>> No. 15353
File 151856048468.jpg - (50.74KB, 742x428, Fishing for Touhou fans.jpg) [iqdb]
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