No. 13962 ... there's a front page?
Also, Chernobyl theme sucks. Too washed out.
>>13961>chromeWell gee I wonder where the problem might lie.
No. 13970>>13960I asked people who had never used the site before about the color scheme and they panned it universally. I wouldn't call black text on grey boxes dark though.
>>13961Might be a cookie issue. Styles (and posting passwords for that matter) are stored by cookies on the site. If you're using private browsing or delete all cookies, then it would keep resetting. I try changes on all major browser engines.
>>13962Yes, the front page exists and is actually important since a good chunk of hits go directly to it. So having a unified style across the boards that's both our own and not bright green is desirable. You're welcome to make something that isn't photon and has mass appeal. I'll add it - just like chernobyl and darkish were created by users years ago.
>>13965I honestly think that people were just too used to photon to realize how grating it looks to a fresh pair of eyes. It'll always have a special spot in my heart but I honestly don't think it should be the default style.
>>13968>>13969The front page scales with the display area size. On larger resolutions it'll look like the second image. With smaller areas it'll look like the first image until it gets too small and switch to the mobile-friendly version. I'll be adding a few changes in the coming few days but it's unlikely to change too much. Adding spaces or gaps sacrifices legibility. It's a compromise between having all the information and looking okayish. If you want to have all the information without having to scrolling to the sides that's necessary.
The previous front page wasn't photon at all, it was just a mimic of (old) 4chan/futaba. If you want to have it as an alternate style sheet, go ahead and tweak the existing one's color and I will probably add it as an alternative.
No. 14007
Decided to hop on the style train myself recently.
For anyone interested in a dark blue skin, this is based on Photon.
http://pastebin.com/bwVEMpTkYou might have go about specifying the URLs to point only toward storyboards.
No. 14013>>14011Actually, sorry for the double-post, but I thought of bringing up another old topic... So, to all of you lurking around:
Are we ever going to get a name besides "touhou-project.com"? I know, I know, we're all used to it and none of us are welcome to change/new things. But honestly? The lack of a unique name makes it hard for us to stand out. We don't have a super creative and interesting title that sticks to the brain, y'know? Plus, it renders recommendations directed at this site to become confusing.
If you're worried about the url changing, we could have a redirect to the new url, or alternatively, have a new url that redirects to touhou-project.com. Furthermore, we could come up with something that keeps the abbreviation "THP." I know some people have already come to calling this place all sorts of things that start with those letters. (Tea Hat Party is particularly popular.)
So yeah. Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but if we're trying to improve things around here, it's certainly the right time.
No. 14014>>13989The short version is: no, that's unlikely to happen.
The not-so-short version: The front page is made up of dynamic content (php). Every time you refresh it, it updates. The board pages are static (html) and are only refreshed when triggered, such as when someone posts. With javascript it's possible to make a script that fetches new elements and inserts them into a static page. But it's inefficient and clunky. There's newer server-side solutions too but to implement would require revising chunks of code and the underlying board software quite a bit, I think. We would be better off overhauling a lot more at once if that was the case.
I don't feel like typing out the more technical and detailed long version. Especially since I'm currently still trying to see what might work and what might not in regards to site improvements.
>>14004I dunno what that's all about. Doesn't happen to me on FF or Fennec on android. BTW the burichan stylesheet has a few primitive workarounds for mobile that will probably get changed up and expanded upon. I just haven't gotten around to doing more yet.
>>14011There's a few things I have planned for the site that ideally will be done in the next couple of weeks. Beyond that I think that we'd need to do more dramatic changes to the board software that will likely require a lot of time and patience. The thing is that I have to do all of this in my spare time as it's very much a hobby. So when life is being life I don't always have the spare time, peace of mind or motivation to work on improvements. I'd much rather give priority to writing since that's more fun and I want to keep up my fast daily pace. This is why the css tweaks haven't happened yet - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but stuff came up.
I'd appreciate it if you did tell your friends about the site, though. We do need new blood and any and all promotion is a good thing.
>>14013I'm not against having a different name or buying another domain. That's a discussion the community needs to have and decide upon. I don't want to force anything. If you have anything specific you'd like to run by me in private, you can find me on IRC.
No. 14034
Made a dark theme that follows my firefox style, based off of the nice darkish css from
>>14007What do you guy's think?
Also, if anyone knows how to change the hover colours for post numbers and backlinks I would really appreciate it if you shared~
http://pastebin.com/Ctq5Y8dF No. 14141>>14133Speaking of which. The archived stories (possibly only older ones?) reference their stylesheets and scripts as HTTP, even when the page itself is now being served over HTTPS. Security flags get tripped everywhere, and nothing gets loaded.
By default this only happens for me on Chrome because Chrome sends an 'Upgrade-Insecure-Requests' header, which the server cheerfully acquiesces to. (Firefox will do the same thing soon, if it doesn't already: see FF bug 1243586. I may just need to upgrade.) This wouldn't be a problem if the server also sent the 'upgrade-insecure-requests' CSP directive* in return, but it doesn't.
* ("hey, browser, just pretend all the links and stuff in this thing are https, 'kay? thanks")
>>14140I suppose you could find some way to disable or strip the Upgrade-Insecure-Requests header on your end. It's almost certainly a terrible idea, but it's at least theoretically possible. (It'd be far better to fix your proxy setup to work with HTTPS, though.)
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Teruyo, what's up with this? I'm getting these left and right everytime I do anything. I had like three just trying to make the damn sadness thread last night, and I can't even load the homepage unless I switch to mobile data, else I get these errors.
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Teruyo, it's happened again. Here's the full thing this time.
Well that happened. I was trying to post this and suddenly my whole phone locked up and avast, MediaMonkey, and Firefox itself all crashed. What the hell phone why do you do this to me?
No. 14156>>14155Unfortunately that's about as generic of an error message as it gets. And, since I can't reproduce the bug nor find something obviously wrong with your setup given the information you've given, I'm limited in what I can reasonably do. SSL/TLS is the kind of thing that's obvious if it isn't working right because both server software and browsers yell bloody murder if any one thing is misconfigured.
All of that said, I did tweak a few small things on intuition that
ideally won't break anything for anyone else. Let me know if it still hangs for you. And, if it does, if the behavior persists with another mobile browser. Firefox is the strictest in some regards when it comes to defaults for encryption (which makes it all the more weird that I can't repro on either desktop or mobile as it's my primary browser).
No. 14158
>>14157>fortiguardSo are you being filtered by your network or is it a service you have on your phone? If it's a program you have, try disabling it before trying with firefox again. It may be their blocking of the domain that's messing with ssl being accepted as valid on firefox and causing all sorts of craziness.
Also, we totally are a pornographic site so I don't think any appeal will be successful. /at/ aside, there's erotic stuff in stories all the time and that counts insofar these services are concerned. Usually these filters are dns-based, so just for browsing using the IP address in the url bar instead of the domain name gets around the issue.
All this talk of mobile browsing reminds me of my huge to-do list for the site which I've ignored for months. Posting an image of a touhou is easier than actually doing any work, so I'll do just that.
No. 14161>>14158>pornographic siteThe fuck you talk about, this isn't
porn, it's art. Why, just look at Scorn's old stuff. You can't tell me that's not artistic. Eh, I'll just Orfox my way through it, it's a network thing. I didn't want to use it because it fucking destroys my battery, but sacrifices must be made for the 2hus.
>posting a picture of a touhou is easier than doing any of that workTeruyo plz.
No. 14162
>>14159Getting a writer to update is pretty easy though. You just remind them that you're eager to read more, offer a few good 2hu images as tribute and he's sure to feel inspired. Failing that, you can always
call him a lazy faggot that needs to get back to the plottan' fields. Even if he tells you to sod off, it's still better than no communication.
>>14161For you, my friend, another image. It's the
least I can do.
No. 14164
>>14163Satori is alright but does little to set things in motion. Considering that it took around 3 months after my last post to get enough votes to continue, I'd say that there's a distinct lack of interest in my writing. And I can't resume a story with daily updates like it's intended to be run without readers, their interest and - most importantly - their votes. Out of my hands for the most part, I'm afraid.
More in-depth discussion about me, my stories and whatever else ought to be in some other thread. Let's keep this mostly about the site and the stuff that gets worked on.
That said: have yet another image because, why not?
No. 14240>>14235dunno, can't repro. Thought it might be a css thing but it loads up fine for me at various resolutions.
>>14238moved categories. /blue/ really didn't need to be a special snowflake considering its sister boards are long since dead.
Also, tweaked the front page a little more and should have a bit more consistent behavior. Still have more work to do on it but probably won't be done anytime soon.
No. 14941>>14939Thanks for the feedback. I'm just replying to highlights where I can add clarity. In general, assume that I'm taking into consideration everything anyone posts in this thread.
>The thread titles/names are tinyI generally agree. But this is something that may or may not change depending on how it looks on smaller resolutions (say, on slightly older phones).
>Most of the links are too small to tap properly.Is this the case for links within the threads themselves (ie: links to other threads or external such as the pastebin link a few posts above)? That's more important to get right. I'm not concerned with the board list because that's just there temporarily.
>watched threads box.You can resize and drag the WT box. Try that. It's otherwise not something I'll be taking into account right now and I've hidden away the button for it in the mobile css to begin with while I work out how board/css selection will work.
>The list of boards or the menu icon should float on the page as you scroll down.This is the solution I had in mind and am looking to implement. It's not a guarantee and I may just go with static dropdown menus at the top and bottom. There's factors such as rendering times and page complexity to take into account. Too many bells and whistles and pages take too long to load and may not work properly on less modern devices. How the page is served was something designed over a decade ago and right now I'm working around limitations in a somewhat ugly way. I'm not prepared to do a partial or full rewrite right now because, when I do, I might as well change most of the backend stuff on the site.
>Larger image thumbnails would be nice.Not going to happen, sorry. Would have to change too much old code around and how thumbnails are generated in the first place.
>notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updatedNot going to happen either. An overhaul of the WT functionality is something I had in mind but it's something relatively low priority. The mystery box, mobile stuff and a few other things all take precedence.
No. 14942>>14941>small linksIt's mostly the [Reply] link at the top of each thread, but it's pretty easy to fatfinger the image/image expand as well. Also, the link in "message too long, click [here]" is smaller than the rest of the text in that sentence. On the rare occasion that someone does two 'above posts' links one after the other, it can be difficult to tap the right one. The same applies to posts with multiple 'replies' links, but that is less important.
>resize WT boxI can resize it on my desktop, but not on my phone. I'm not in the habit of using it anyway; I just figured I should test everthing on the site.
>stuff that can't be doneI understand. There's only so much that you can do with CSS, and legacy systems are suffering.
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>>15197Good work! I've checked it out today and it looks good. Bigger buttons are always helpful but... could you try to make the "Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same size as the ones from the top?
The 'Site Navigation' menu seems hard to hit and those pop up things are not my cup of tea, but I use a very old cellphone (Moto G) so I doubt my opinion is shared by many, if at all.
Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open. If it is closed, it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part. I expected it to send me back to the top and open the reply window. If it is intended, then nevermind.
Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated? Sometimes, you want to make a point-by-point reply and I really don't want to alternate between the top of the page and wherever the post I'm replying to is.
Finally, and this might be unrelated, but I was using the .thp site to escape my work's proxy... but now the site is not filtered anymore. Did you do any changes related to that or my filter fucked up? Either way: happiness!
No. 15199>>15197iPhone 6 here. Personally, I feel like the font size could be boosted on everything. Maybe it's just my aging eyes, but posts are just a tad hard to read. Additionally, the font size seems to vary between posts, so some show up smaller than others for some reason.
As to the navigation bar, I agree with the above anon that it's a little fiddly. Maybe it could just be persistent? It's also way too small, in my opinion. Another thing is a slight bug with it where going to another page, hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404. Lastly, it could probably use top and bottom buttons; the normal ones are small and awkward to hit without zooming in, and I use them a lot.
Ditto on reply weirdness described above. It doesn't seem to be inserting the post number at all in my experience.
Not a mobile thing, but I didn't know where else to address it: The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe. Not a huge deal but a bit of a gripe because I prefer the latter.
No. 15211>>15198>"Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same sizeHave removed them altogether, in the sticky menu now. Let me know if that's better or not.
>Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open.It opens up the reply box now and scrolls up.
>it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part.Actually a separate issue, but fixed all the same.
>Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated?Not at the moment. I'm trying to keep things simple code-wise because of various reasons. Maybe in the distant future, after a few other site things are taken care of.
>not filtered anymoreThat's not up to me.
>>15199>font size could be boostedThis is something that I'd rather have more people chime in on before changing any more.
>the font size seems to vary between postsThat shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce. Anyone else confirm? Failing that, any special details about your setup?
>hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404Hopefully worked around.
>The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe.sadly a lot of the board software creates hardcoded links. I was aware of this but it doesn't have a straightforward solution. Also happens with posting and changing pages as you have noticed. I want to fix that in a non-hacky way if possible but because of that it's a lower priority to other things.
Anyhow, please give feedback on the latest changes, I'm sure that it can use a lot more tweaking. Browser-based test tools I have access too can't capture all the idiosyncratic behavior of real mobile devices.
No. 15212
>>15211>That shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce.Attached screencap. It might not be super clear, but there is a difference in the font sizes.
>Failing that, any special details about your setup?The screencap's from Safari, but I was observing it in Firefox iOS 9.2 as well. On an iPhone 6 running iOS 11.0.3.
>feedbackCan confirm that the navigation issues have been fixed and that the reply box/replying behaves as intended. The size of the navbar is a lot better, and the additional buttons improve things considerably. The element/font size (scaling? I guess the site is meant to be at least somewhat responsive) issue aside, it's pretty usable now.
One minor gripe: Are /at/ and /blue/ missing from the navmenu on purpose or is that an issue with the setup?
No. 15331
So with the mystery box on the front page opened, here’s a quick run down on how the system works:
Q: What is it?
At its most basic, it keeps track of the latest updates and prints them out on the front page. It’s a stepping stone to other things, still left mysterious for the moment.
Q: How do I use it?
Simple! There’ll be a small box in when you go to post labeled “update” which you have to tick. You’ll need a tripcode and it needs to match the one in the original post (OP).
Q: What if I think tripcodes are for jerks and haven’t used one when writing before?
Well, it’s your choice to opt out, but the system is set up so that random schmos can’t spam updates for established stories.
Q: Okay, your persuasive words changed my mind, how do I make it so the system works for me?
Easy, adopt a tripcode (something in the namefield that follows either a # or ! character) and then tell me about it. Probably faster if you talk to me on IRC, since I gotta do due diligence and make sure you are who you are by checking your IP but I guess I’ll also be checking this thread.
Q: Why the hell did it take you so long to do something so simple?
Well, it wasn’t that simple and there were a lot of other considerations and priorities I had to handle first. I'll probably talk about it some in the technical blog-y posts I put up on patreon.
Q: When will we see the box’s final form?
All in good time. It’ll go through a lot of expansions and changes as other pieces fall into place.
No. 15335>>15332Done, my very paranoid friend.
>>15334Just to clarify: it will "just work" if you start a new thread or were using a trip all along. But I know that some authors use multiple aliases and write different stories under different ones. So feel free to ask me in private if you want that to remain under wraps. Or if you don't care but want a faster response, it's also cool to prod me. Else I'll just check the IP of your post here with a trip against the OP of whatever thread you link to and if they match, add a tripcode manually to the OP.
In case you haven't seen my posts elsewhere, you can contact me by talking to "Zer00" on rizon, I usually hang out on the channel #eientei. If you don't know how to use IRC, use the client on the front page under the IRC tab, just change the channel to #eientei (or /join #eientei if you're connected elsewhere).
No. 15380
>>15379> detailsThose are the details. I tried to post
>>/shorts/2163 with NSFW box checked, it gave me that error. I tried again without, it worked. I tried again in this thread, it failed again.
Trying again now...
No. 15419 Was having the same problem as
>>15415 but then I remembered to flush the cache and that fixed it.
Is the local time thing server-side or javascript? And how does it pick the timezone? Just curious.
EDIT: changing settings while typing a message erases the message, and the back button doesn't restore it. Any chance of a fix?
No. 15421>>15419>Is the local time thing server-side or javascript?All of the user-facing pages served (save for the front page) are static. So things that alter content dynamically have to be client-side. So it's all JS + changes to the HTML to make it easier for scripts to hook into the right information.
>changing settings while typing a message erases the messageYou mean like hitting "save settings"? It reloads the page so the options come into effect so, yeah, things like input for fields or your navbar or whatever else will generally be forgotten. That's on the browser. iirc there are some browser extensions that save data in forms and fields automatically but you'll have to look for those yourself since I can't remember their names, sorry.
>>15420>Where are my backlinksThe thinking was to minimize visual clutter on mobile devices. Funnily enough, though it was 'enabled' by default for a while the original site code didn't have backlinks, I added it (well, modified someone else's code) years ago. Guess people got used to them. I fully intend to make a relevant settings menu for mobile at some point, I just wanted to get stuff out sooner rather than a hypothetical later since I have a lot of other things I need to work on.
>new pic scalingI'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean clicking on the file name switches the thumbnail to the full-sized image? That's how it was always. It was redone code-wise but the behavior should be the same as far as the end user is concerned. I guess I can add that as an option to not do that at all down the line.
No. 15425>>15421> The thinking was to minimize visual clutter on mobile devices.So why's it default off on desktop?
I mean, it's only a problem for me 'cause I'm paranoid and don't save cookies, but it still feels like a regression.
> That's how it was always.Uh, sorry, but no. Prior to the update, clicking on the filename would replace the thumbnail with a big blank box where the full-size image would then load. Now it blows the thumbnail up to fill that space and stays that way until the full-size pic is completely loaded, just like, say, Danbooru.
Whether that was the intended behaviour before or not, I still find it pointless and annoying, especially since most of the pics are progressive JPEGs anyway.
No. 15426>>15425You were ambiguous and mentioned phones. Without clearer information all I can do is make educated guesses as to what you mean.
I don't plan on adding default settings at all, sorry. Settings (and now your selected style sheet) are stored as localstorage, not cookies, at any rate. If you're concerned about tracking, that's mitigated with same-origin policy and https.These days you're only really boned on that front if someone has physical access to your machine but the same can be said about all security. I may one day add and export and import functionality to the settings so you can keep and transfer them easily but it's honestly way down low on my list of things I need to be working on.
As for images, that's unlikely to change as that would add needless code complexity for what's basically matter of preference. Between all the inline and external scripts and other stuff I removed and simplified, each page loaded is several dozen kb lighter than it was before. Not to mention slightly more efficient in some areas when it comes to manipulating the DOM. So no, it's not "pointless" at all.
No. 15427>>15426> You were ambiguous and mentioned phones. Without clearer information all I can do is make educated guesses as to what you mean.Sorry about that. I really need to learn not to post when I should be asleep. Or in a coma.
Also gotta learn how not to sound like an ungrateful bastard, it seems. I
am grateful you're doing this stuff, even if all I ever seem to do is complain about it. Seriously. I love this site, and I love you for keeping it running. No homo.
> I don't plan on adding default settings at all, sorry.I wasn't asking you to add anything. What I meant to say is I would have made a "Disable backlinks" checkbox rather than an "Enable backlinks" one. But you're not me, and I'm not working on this site, so of course it's up to you. I'll deal.
> If you're concerned about tracking, that's mitigated with same-origin policy and https.More like privacy on a shared computer. Basically I use incognito mode, or whatever it is they call it in your browser of choice. Nothing you can do about it, and I wouldn't expect you to. Just explaining why I'd prefer the defaults different to what you've made them, since I gotta set 'em every time I visit and all. But again, I dug that hole myself. Sorry I brought it up and confused things.
> So no, it's not "pointless" at all.I get that the under-the-hood stuff had to happen. And I have noticed stuff loads faster on my dialup-grade connection now, which is awesome. But I assumed, as a non-technical user, that telling a browser to scale one image, wait for another to load, and then replace the old one with the new one would require
more work, not less. If that's not the case, well, I learned something new today.
But if it
is, then that's the only bit I'm complaining about. If you don't wanna add an option to turn it off, that's cool. It says "feedback" in the thread title, so I posted my feedback. If I worded it bad, well, that's why I'm not writing cool stories. Sorry about that. If you don't want that kind of feedback, just say the word and I'll shut up.
Or ignore me. That'd probably work too.
No. 15429>>15427>Or ignore me.Saging a post that's actual feedback might accidentally accomplish just that!
>Also gotta learn how not to sound like an ungrateful bastardIt didn't really come off as that, just a bit weird. I was a little worried that I came off a little too aloof and not caring (or even arrogant!) as text isn't the best for reading other people's emotions or even explaining one's actual attitude.
>What I meant to say is I would have made a "Disable backlinks"Yeah, would rather have people turn things 'on' rather than 'off'. But I'll think about that as I add more features I have planned. What's probably best in regards to settings and options that are exposed isn't quite set in stone. Though I want to be consistent and pain-free as possible for users.
>More like privacy on a shared computer. Basically I use incognito mode, or whatever it is they call it in your browser of choice.Sure, gotcha. Importing/exporting settings might help you there when I get that done.
>telling a browser to scale one image, wait for another to load, and then replace the old one with the new one would require more work, not less.I can't really speak for the inner workings of a browser but from my perspective the current code is cleaner. As the old code created a special new part of the page where then it would have a 'new' image inserted which would then be loaded. There is no longer those extra bits in every post and instead it outright replaces the thumbnail with the full image according to some data it scrapes (which it also scrapped for the previous method, albeit in a different format). Why it looks blown up is probably due to how the individual browsers cache information while an asynchronous request is being processed. A shit explanation, I know, but I hope it's clear enough to more or less follow.
>It says "feedback" in the thread title, so I posted my feedbackAnd please never stop doing so! It is appreciated a lot. I wish more people bothered to offer feedback as I can't possibly catch every single corner case or bug on my own. Or even appreciate how people
actually use the site on a daily basis. The latter is really helpful for knowing what I should focus on next code-wise.
No. 15430>>15429> Saging a post that's actual feedback might accidentally accomplish just that!...
FUCK
brb headbutting a tree
> A shit explanation, I know, but I hope it's clear enough to more or less follow.That fwooshing sound you're hearing is technical jargon giving me a new hairdo as it sails overhead. Thanks for the effort though.
All I want is my progressive JPEGs (and the other pics) to actually be, well, progressive. Going from blocky to blurry to loli over five minutes is a lot less boring then HOLY SHIT I NEED GLASSES ... HOLY SHIT I STILL NEED GLASSES ... MAYBE I SHOULD GO MAKE SOME oh hi Koishi.
But if it's a no-can-do then I'll take your word for it.
No. 15432 Spotted a minor glitch on /eientei/... last line of the preview of "Shoot For The Moon, Thread 7" reads
> "You do know that we&#when the full line in
>>/eientei/28316 actually reads
> "You do know that we're restricted from full access for a reason, right?"Dunno if it was there before the update (or if anyone without OCD cares) but... it's there.
No. 15436 Not sure if this is a glitch or if you meant to change this, but I noticed that posts no longer show all the replies to the post anymore.
So for example:
>>15426I just replied to post 15426. Post 15427 also previously replied to 15426. However, neither of these replies are listed in post 15426, when in the past you used to be able to see the replies along the top next to the post number.
Also, you used to be able to place your mouse over the red reply link for a few seconds, and a little preview of the original post would show up next to your mouse. That doesn't happen anymore, so you have to actually click on the link to see what the post was replying to, which depending on how spread out the posts are could make the conversation difficult to follow.
I'm using firefox if that makes any difference.
No. 15440>>15432That would be unrelated to the changes, most likely. Just how special characters are parsed (the apostrophe) when the pages are built and it just happened to get cut off. Not much I can do without editing the post somehow, sorry.
>>15436see
>>15437Mess with the settings basically.
No. 15487
>>15485>I noticed you put an ugly black box around the paginator for some reason.Not exactly. It always had an inline style with a border but it didn't display properly because original coders did a shitty job at following standards and outputting valid code. Fixing errors and moving things to external stylesheets makes it display as it was intended. It
is ugly, I agree.
>In the last change you upped the size of the filename lineNope, haven't touched that at all. Same as it always has been. If you look at the css, the filename text is 20% smaller in most styles.
>Clicking on a post number straight from the board used to take you to the reply box. It takes you to the new thread box now, and has for a while, which has tripped me up more than once.I don't know what you mean. Clicking at the "No" should highlight and open up the thread while clicking on the number following it inserts the post number into the reply box. This is the same behavior as always. Are you perhaps confusing it with 4chan which now opens a quick reply box on the side instead of taking you to the main reply box?
>There's no space between poster name and post date anymore.There is. Also hasn't changed. See image.
>rounded cornersThat's on the people who made the themes. As most of these people simply copied a theme and changed the color, they inherit the other decisions. Futaba and Burichan have square boxes—use 'em instead.
And, no, trust me, you haven't actually noticed most of the changes if you're just complaining about these things. Which is good.
No. 15489>>15488>Differences are the same with Chernobyl.In both the 2011 page, other random points and the present the file info text has always been smaller than the main text (0.8em, specifically). This is both on FF61 and Chromium 68 and I'm also on Linux (though not Debian).
You do seem to be right about the lack of space. I had to clear the cache of my browser to notice it, oddly enough. Shouldn't have had to do that as it wasn't a CSS thing and HTML pages are regenerated often. Not sure when that happened. Fixed at any rate.
>quoting postsI hadn't noticed the difference in behavior before it was pointed out tbh. That said, I'm not sure I'd change it as it makes quoting from multiple posts at the same time way easier. If you want to select a thread, the quick reply button is there. I may at some point put up a small list of threads on a board page but I'll have to think about it.
>One has rounded boxes, one does not.I didn't say it hasn't changed, just that it's on the people who made them. Rounded corners were always there, albeit disabled due to a mistake in the stylesheet. That was "fixed" a while ago when tracking down validation errors. Whether the people who derived their style sheet from "photon" also wanted that, I don't know. But they either aren't around or haven't complained. Our last two additions (dusk and photondb) came way after the correction and they also have rounded corners.
No. 15490>>15489> I had to clear the cache of my browser to notice it, oddly enough.Doing the same fixed the font size for me. Chromium doesn't seem to ever revalidate stylesheets or scripts, even on F5. Maybe it's time I switched browsers...
> That said, I'm not sure I'd change it as it makes quoting from multiple posts at the same time way easier....I don't see how it does...? Previously I could read the latest post in the thread preview, click one link and start typing a reply. Now that same link lets me start typing a new thread with a reply to a post in the old one.
I don't see any reason why you'd want to start a new thread with a reply to a post in another thread. Or at least, not enough of a reason to favour it over the above. If I wanted to reply to multiple posts (out of at most four!) from the thread preview I'd have to either click the "No" (or "Reply") to bring the thread up first, or click(x4), copy, click and paste - either way it's no faster than it used to be.
> But they either aren't around or haven't complained.True. But since the only people who'd still be using Photon are novophobic old bastards like me, would it be much trouble to have [a version of] it with the broken features removed instead of fixed?
Failing that, anybody know a good plugin to let me override it locally? There's so many malware plugins floating around these days and I haven't been keeping up.
No. 15492>>15491It did until just two days ago (after any other changes were made so it wasn't just that). Implemented partly through http-equiv metas in the html and partly through the webserver. I eliminated the former due to lack of efficacy and not conforming to spec (holdover from experimental xhtml days when the original board software was written) and the latter hasn't come back because I have been testing a few other things and prefer to work on one thing at a time. It's definitely meant to come back.
>>15490>...I don't see how it does...?I see where you're coming from and in practical terms most of the userbase would probably only reply to a single thread or, even, post. Guess besides the other reasons, it boils down to me not wanting to make the quick reply button utterly superfluous.
>novophobic"Neophobic". All these neologisms use Greek roots... sorry, don't mean anything by it, just a little pet peeve of mine.
>plugin to let me overrideWhat you'll want here is something that lets you edit the css of websites. Not sure about chromium but I use Stylus on FF. You'll want to change the border-radius propery on the "reply" class.
No. 15548
I'm ready to announce and detail a lot of the features I've been working on for the past few weeks. Some of them have already been live on the site for a while, running in the background or to be found if you clicked in the right places. Reagardless, they're all live now and I think that there's plenty to enjoy here:
- Archive CSS - For some time since we moved away from older scripts, you couldn't change the style on older archived threads. Been fixed and some links and other things have been fixed as well.
- Coins and their flipping - Trying to break a tie or stuck between two options on a vote? Use [coinflip] to give you a random result in your post.
- Expand all images - was broken for a while until I was told about it a few weeks ago
- Mobile Madness - A rather large overhaul for mobile users. Shuold be cleaner, easier to use and more consistent across browsers and devices
- Post previewing - Ever felt like seeing what your post would look like before posting it? Now you can! Has clever little touches like clicking on the message too long link to see the rest of the post
- Watched Threads - An old feature that's come back from retirement better than ever. Keeps track of stories across boards and even tells you when there's been an update.
- Etc - There's plenty of other minor fixes to the user-facing portions of the site as well as backend optimizations, cleanups and improvements.
Now, I'm sure that there's a lot that still needs to be tweaked and there are a few quirks and known issues to the above. The mobile changes, in particular, I know will likely require some more fiddling to get just right. I appreciate detailed bug reports and feedback. There's plenty to discover here and lots of details I omitted but I hope you'll enjoy finding them.
Lastly, I know it's a bit of a bummer to bring it up at all but if I'd appreciate it if you're able to
donate to THP if you're not already doing so. We're good when it comes to funding the monthly running of the site, so don't worry about that. Nontheless, yours truly is alone when it comes to running things and programming in particular is often very manhour-intensive (besides typing in code there's research, testing, fixing bugs and having to deal around with old code one way or the other). I do what I do for THP because I love this place and won't stop but extra donations definitely help in increasing the amount of time I can dedicate to site stuff. It offets other opportunity costs in my life. And it's not like this work can be reliably outsourced either — non-hobbyists charge a pretty penny for any amount of coding and design work.
There's still a lot of work to be done such as continuing to modernize the site, adding new features and tools for authors and readers, and eventually producing a better archives system. Beyond that, I have bigger plans for THP and its community but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. I can just tell you that I'll be working as much as I can, whenever I can. With all that said, I hope you can all continue to enjoy the site and our special community.
No. 15551>>15548>Post previewingThat's super!
Lots of this is super. Thanks and good work!
Coinflip, huh. In email? The post itself? Let's find out.
Coin flip: tails! No. 15554>>15553>Story list links are still HTTP.storylist isn't my thing. Will eventually make one with
blackjack and hookers a better everything. Links redirect anyways to https on a server level.
>Post number links in thread previews are still useless because they start a new thread.Assuming you're the same dude as last time, working as designed.
>Full-size images are still hidden until fully downloaded.Same. Not worth the code complexity to do it like before. Decision may be revisited way down the line, after just about everything else is sorted.
>Pages flash white for a second before the theme kicks in. Jarring with a dark theme.Haven't observed that. More info needed like is it on every load, if across different browsers and so forth.
>Banner takes (a lot) longer to load, doesn't load at all if scripts are off, right-click -> open in new tab doesn't work.That part hasn't been changed in... a long time. And yeah, they've depended on a script for rotation for years, won't work with scripts off. Most of the user-facing changes won't. Would be nice to get confirmation from other people if there's been a regression or code elsewhere that's interfering with it (shouldn't be as they're their own section that doesn't interact with anything else but
computers).
>Sorry in advance for wasting even more of your time. I'll go back to voting on stories that never update.s'fine. It's a little lonely to see so many threads, so few new posts day in and day out. Do actually go vote in stuff, not much of that happening these days either.
No. 15555>>15554> Assuming you're the same dude as last time, working as designed.Yup, and I still think it's dumb, 'cause I still keep clicking on it to reply, only to have to scroll back down and click two more times each to get the desired result.
> Not worth the code complexity to do it like before.Fair enough, but Kizin's penchant for hueg GIFs is making it really annoying on my end. If the updates weren't hueg too I'd be able to read the whole thing before I see the first frame.
> More info needed like is it on every load, if across different browsers and so forth.Every load of every page, with every theme
except Chernobyl, using Chromium on Linux. Switching themes (including to/from Chernobyl) also takes several seconds now, when it used to be instant, and Chernobyl's rad symbol is gone. (Or did you nix that on purpose? I don't remember, I hate Chernobyl.)
Don't have any other systems/browsers to test with, but if you want me to try anything else (for any bug), just holler. Not like I got much else to do in my THP reading time right now.
> That part hasn't been changed in... a long time.If everything's a script then whatever's slowing the themes might be slowing the banner as well.
...now that I look, every time I change the theme the browser is waiting for a round-trip to the server. It comes back 304 but I have a ping of like 2000 so it takes a while. Did you happen to fix that cache control/expiry issue recently? If so, it may be working as intended after all.
> Do actually go vote in stuff, not much of that happening these days either.I check every board (except /at/) every day and vote on everything I read. Which isn't every story, I'll admit, but it's something.
No. 15556>>15555>Yup, and I still think it's dumbTwo solutions here: You could use the floating post box feature or I could make it an option to have alternative behavior for reflinks sometime in the future. Problem is that IIRC you don't keep site settings because of private browsing, so both are kind of useless in your particular case.
>Switching themes (including to/from Chernobyl) also takes several seconds now, when it used to be instantNothing about that has been changed. Though I think that the system could be optimized. Not something I'm going to do right away, that said, as that kind of thing is tedious and time-consuming (requires a lot of analysis and iteration of code/testing). Mostly it's because I have limited time (time is money as the cliche goes and I gotta survive, part of the point of reminding people to donate if they can). Conceptually, I have an idea or two that is probably worth exploring but no promises or ETA.
>Chernobyl's rad symbol is gone.Gone for a long time now, actually. I think you're the first to bring it up.
>Did you happen to fix that cache control/expiry issue recently?Well, caching was gone for a period of like two weeks only - whenever that was brought up, while I looked into a couple of things. So it's odd that it's happening
now as opposed to for a while now. Eventually I'll be a little more aggressive about caching certain things on the pages... once again given enough available time and capabilities. Probably medium-term thing, after there's less chance that I have to change content that's served to add more features.
>Which isn't every story, I'll admit, but it's something.Way more than 90% of regular visitors, let me tell you that. You wouldn't believe how many people seem to read stories regularly and just not vote.
No. 15559>>15557Oh, it most definitely works. It just currently only does the replacing once per post, meaning that using
Coin flip: tails! more than once is pointless. Limitation of the board software. May work around that in the future, just not for the initial implementation. It's... not as simple as you might expect due to how posts are generated.
Proof heads works : >
>>/blue/24118 No. 15562
>>15561Unstickied both threads. Felt it was overdue.
>>15560You know, I'm genuinely surprised we haven't seen more crossover stories with the sonic fandom. They certainly are, well uh, passionate. And not shy.
Also guess I'll
Coin flip: heads! every post here to see how long probabilities will fuck with me.
On another note, seems I may have borked something about watched threads before deployment, as it shouldn't be counting the posts you make when deciding if there's been a new one. Will add to my list of stuff.
No. 15565>>15556> You could use the floating post box feature...what? The floating post box doesn't gain me anything, and it takes three clicks and a page load to open and close!
Anyway, I finally figured out the quick reply button. Apparently I'm a fairy or something, holy shit. Now your previous response makes sense. It's still two clicks instead of one, but at least I don't need to wait for a 200-post thread to load in between.
If it doesn't bother anyone else - and start this all over again - I'd suggest getting rid of the quick reply button and making all the post number links do that. The common case of someone F5ing the board can now post a reply in one click, without accidentally starting a new thread
again (fuck you muscle memory). On the once-in-a-blue-moon occasion you actually want to start a new thread with a reply, it still only takes one more click.
Or you could make that an option instead, and add another thing I have to set every time I visit the site. Which as you said wouldn't solve my problem, but I'm just one user.
No. 15582
I've changed some things and you'll have to set your default style again. And your settings. Bit of a drag, I know, but it was necessary and it's unlikely to happen again in the foreseeable future. So if you were checking this thread for that, there you have it: not a bug.
Most other changes are quality of life improvements, enhancements and bug fixes to the recently introduced features. I'm not going to bother listing them but the most noticeable relate to the watched threads, post preview and coin flip features. The flips, particularly, are now limited to five in a post and yield independent results. And settings like local timestamps work in more places, including the front page.
It's now also possible to import and export the site's settings in the settings menu. This includes the watched and hidden threads as well you may have. If you use different browsers or multiple machines, probably somewhat useful to have.
Dice are also in. Meant to have it ready for last time, but had to work around and rewrite some of the board software first. Example roll: 1d20+2. Place in brackets, modifier optional. I haven't made up my mind on the limitations for the number of dice and maximum values and that is subject to change. A pretty useless feature that I think is unlikely to be used seriously in stories. But, hey, feel free to prove me wrong.
There's more, including a secret feature I'm keeping close to my chest until the end of the month, and a whole slew of optimization changes and rewrites. And even an easter egg or two. But yeah, probably more fun if you discover things yourselves. At least for me. It's tedious to do proper changelogs as it's usually reductive of tons of hours, dozens of commits and hundreds of lines of code changed.
No. 15633
>>15631As we have no user accounts, you need at least
something to limit potential abuse from some internet guy deciding to troll people into believing there was an update. Can't give that permission on a per-ip basis because, you know, people have dynamic ips and sometimes use the site in multiple locations. And allowing only the writer of a particular story to set a timer in their updates keeps control in their hands and neatly avoids random people just creating them on the page. It's limited to a single active timer per thread, to avoid performance issues as well. Who here hasn't encountered a site with a million js elements that auto-update and make the whole thing a laggy mess? I wanna avoid that.
Needing a tripcode is a simple and elegant solution to multiple problems that's neither exceedingly onerous to users nor is it especially complicated to implement on the code-side of things.
>>15632There is a maximum future time that can be set though I don't recall off-hand what it is. Probably about a month or maybe six weeks. You can't set a time in the past either, obviously. Oh and "last" as in the latest timer on the page, not as in previous.
No. 15637> As we have no user accounts, you need at least something to limit potential abuse from some internet guy deciding to troll people into believing there was an update.
Except exactly that was possible for over a decade, and THP survived just fine on the honor system, occasional newbie flaming notwithstanding. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Besides, there are perfectly valid reasons why someone other than the author should bump the story, like if the author forgot, or (I'm looking at you YAF) deliberately saged their update.
> Who here hasn't encountered a site with a million js elements that auto-update and make the whole thing a laggy mess? I wanna avoid that.
Now this I can get behind.
Still think it's a bit heavy-handed for a simple clock, though; why shouldn't normal users be able to make one? If performance is an issue, you could have a 'click to show countdown' link, so only one is running at a time.
Or just sic your adblocker on it, like I have to do to the CPU-raping snow every Christmas anyway.
No. 15638>>15637>It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.Yeah, nah. I'm the guy who has had to deal with moderation, disruptions and all sorts of bullshit for about a decade here. Sorry but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
>deliberately saged their updateSaging a post has no effect on whether or not it's marked as an update. It appears on the front page and it shows up in the watched threads list.
>why shouldn't normal users be able to make one?Because it's a tool intended to be used only with updates to mark when the story will next get an update or how much time there is until voting closes. Feel free to present a highly-improbable use case where
some internet guy has to create a timer in a thread that's not his and that other people would care about because reasons.
>CPU-raping snowOh, you mean the same one that always has a toggle at the bottom of the page?
It takes so little effort to just mark a post as an update from an author that honestly you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You're deliberately ignoring my reasoning and ten years' worth of experience over the slightest of inconveniences that no one else seems to care about. This is not going to change and you're just going to have to deal with it. And please spare me snide comments or angry (and subsequently deleted) rants because they do much less to persuade me than this.
No. 15639>>15638> Sorry but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about.Then I stand 100% corrected.
> Saging a post has no effect on whether or not it's marked as an update.And someone who intentionally sages a post is hardly going to mark it as an update. That was what I was getting at, for what little it's worth.
> Feel free to present a highly-improbable use case where some internet guy has to create a timer in a thread that's not his and that other people would care about because reasons.Nope, don't have one. Suggestion retracted.
> Oh, you mean the same one that always has a toggle at the bottom of the page?The one that only works until I load a new page? Yup, tried it.
> You're deliberately ignoring my reasoning and ten years' worth of experience over the slightest of inconveniences that no one else seems to care about.I didn't hear your reasoning. Sorry if I missed the memo - and no, I don't mean to be snide here. Looks like I put my foot right down my throat. I'm genuinely sorry I brought it up.
> And please spare me snide comments or angry (and subsequently deleted) rants because they do much less to persuade me than this.I'm not angry, just dumber than the average cauliflower, apparently. Again, sorry, and I'll keep my brain-keyboard interface under better control in future.
No. 15640>>15639>And someone who intentionally sages a post is hardly going to mark it as an update>I didn't hear your reasoningYeah, can't really do anything about that. It's an optional feature and some people are uncomfortable about trips or even the premise of marking as an update. That's fine by me. My general attitude is to always make something opt in, painless as possible for the writer while still being sane to maintain (both code-wise and manpower-wise, don't really want to repeat the mess that's the story list).
I'm too lazy to go into it with more details but that's the gist of the design intent and the reasons why things on the site are the way they are. You're just going to have to trust me that I've thought about these things a lot, I guess. I do talk about the rationale of stuff in the patreon posts, I think I made one of them public a while back if you're interested (assuming you're not a patron).
I don't mind engaging people in good faith but, sheesh, it does get to me when I post an explanation (like
>>15633) just have it discarded out of hand. I don't want to be a dick but you internet people need to realize you're dealing with another fellow person and ease up sometimes. Personally, I don't expect thanks or praise ever but it is nice to feel that others are on the level at least. I feel the same way about the stuff I write and read as well but that's a whole different tangent. As a final follow up thought: I'll apologize if I come off as hostile at times because it's usually not the intention.
>The one that only works until I load a new page?You see,
that's something that's interesting for me to know and you should have posted about in this thread. AFAIK it all worked just fine.