Feedback on site changesTeruyo!Wo5j3FYZRg2015/10/27 (Tue) 06:21No. 13959▼
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As some of you might have noticed, the site has a new front page and the default style has been changed from photon to chernobyl on boards. This is to make the site more accessible to newcomers but you'll be able to change the style to something else, as always, from the drop down menu at the top of every page.
There's a few changes that I plan on making to the site, including adding better support for small screens such as those on tablets and phones. The front page already scales nicely but rehauling the dusty old board code is an undertaking that will probably take me a while. I'm prioritizing something else at the moment, which I think everyone will be happy about. Nothing as visually dramatic, before you complain, and I promise it'll be good.
I plan on tweaking the front page some more in the coming days, fixing a few spacing issues and padding. But if there's anything else that you want to suggest that needs improvement or tweaking, I guess this is the thread for you. I'll promise to listen and tell you why or why not I can or cannot do something.
I'm also using the trip I use for writing as opposed to the admin identity because honestly it's less of a hassle not having to log in every time to post.
Hey now...be nice. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to realize Google chrome installs multiple tools they can use to listen in on your home life, as well routinely submits user demographics and search histories back to Google in order to more finely turn advertisements.
HEY TERU, ON THE ISSUE OF CSS, THERE'S 0 SPACING BETWEEN THE "RECENT IMAGES" COLUMN AND THE BULLETIN POSTS. ADD SOME SPACING SO IT DOESN'T CLASH WITH MY EYES. ALSO THIS IS IN A WINDOW, GOOGLE CHROME CANARY.
ALSO, YOUR COLOR PALLET. IT'S NICE FOR NIGHT READING BUT IT'S COLD AND UNINVITING, KINDA LIKE YOUR LOVE LIFE. THE PREVIOUS DEFAULT PHOTON WAS BRIGHT, BLINDING, AND ORANGE, BUT IT WAS WARM AND FRIENDLY AND A GOOD FIT FOR THE FRONT PAGE.
AT LEAST GIVE US THE CSS OPTIONS AGAIN I MISS MY OLD THP, NEW THP SUCKS (IT'S LIKE NEW COKE).
>>13960 I asked people who had never used the site before about the color scheme and they panned it universally. I wouldn't call black text on grey boxes dark though.
>>13961 Might be a cookie issue. Styles (and posting passwords for that matter) are stored by cookies on the site. If you're using private browsing or delete all cookies, then it would keep resetting. I try changes on all major browser engines.
>>13962 Yes, the front page exists and is actually important since a good chunk of hits go directly to it. So having a unified style across the boards that's both our own and not bright green is desirable. You're welcome to make something that isn't photon and has mass appeal. I'll add it - just like chernobyl and darkish were created by users years ago.
>>13965 I honestly think that people were just too used to photon to realize how grating it looks to a fresh pair of eyes. It'll always have a special spot in my heart but I honestly don't think it should be the default style.
>>13968 >>13969 The front page scales with the display area size. On larger resolutions it'll look like the second image. With smaller areas it'll look like the first image until it gets too small and switch to the mobile-friendly version. I'll be adding a few changes in the coming few days but it's unlikely to change too much. Adding spaces or gaps sacrifices legibility. It's a compromise between having all the information and looking okayish. If you want to have all the information without having to scrolling to the sides that's necessary.
The previous front page wasn't photon at all, it was just a mimic of (old) 4chan/futaba. If you want to have it as an alternate style sheet, go ahead and tweak the existing one's color and I will probably add it as an alternative.
>>13970 >You're welcome to make something that isn't photon But I like Photon. It's not bright at all, what the fuck are people talking about? I could paint the entire inside of my house with this colour scheme and it would be great.
I really like the recently posted-in threads being higher up on the front page. It just seemed weird having the recent activity be crammed on the bottom of the page and this is a lot easier to access and makes the site look more active
... There are people who use styles other than Futaba and Burichan? Wow. The other three look utterly garish to me.
Anyway, consider putting the recently updated stories list on every page? Either the whole list, or a link to it in one of the menubars. I know you probably want people to look at the front page more, but having the list only available there is lamesauce.
Oh, and if you want to go really fancy, how about a different border color on the boards for threads with new posts? Or for new posts themselves? Not sure how doable that is, though.
Update. I wanted to make a Darkish theme that actually wasn't literally black and white contrast. I was going for a softer look that didn't burn the eyes after an hour or so of browsing. What do you guys think?
This might not be the right thread, but here goes nothing.
I'm having some trouble with the site in FireFox on mobile. I dunno whether it's just something on my end, or if it's something with the site. I tried with both Chrome and the default browser, and both displayed the site perfectly.
Saging because not feedback on changes to the site
>>13959 Thanks! Chernobyl as the default is a lot easier on the eyes. Somehow I never noticed that Photon had.
I'm excited seeing this place have updates... I want to tell all my friends about it now. Hm... I wonder if the boards themselves can be improved or something though? Not that there is anything wrong with them, but maybe there's something we just haven't noticed, like how nobody noticed that Photon was too grating.
>>14011 Actually, sorry for the double-post, but I thought of bringing up another old topic... So, to all of you lurking around:
Are we ever going to get a name besides "touhou-project.com"? I know, I know, we're all used to it and none of us are welcome to change/new things. But honestly? The lack of a unique name makes it hard for us to stand out. We don't have a super creative and interesting title that sticks to the brain, y'know? Plus, it renders recommendations directed at this site to become confusing.
If you're worried about the url changing, we could have a redirect to the new url, or alternatively, have a new url that redirects to touhou-project.com. Furthermore, we could come up with something that keeps the abbreviation "THP." I know some people have already come to calling this place all sorts of things that start with those letters. (Tea Hat Party is particularly popular.)
So yeah. Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but if we're trying to improve things around here, it's certainly the right time.
>>13989 The short version is: no, that's unlikely to happen.
I don't feel like typing out the more technical and detailed long version. Especially since I'm currently still trying to see what might work and what might not in regards to site improvements.
>>14004 I dunno what that's all about. Doesn't happen to me on FF or Fennec on android. BTW the burichan stylesheet has a few primitive workarounds for mobile that will probably get changed up and expanded upon. I just haven't gotten around to doing more yet.
>>14011 There's a few things I have planned for the site that ideally will be done in the next couple of weeks. Beyond that I think that we'd need to do more dramatic changes to the board software that will likely require a lot of time and patience. The thing is that I have to do all of this in my spare time as it's very much a hobby. So when life is being life I don't always have the spare time, peace of mind or motivation to work on improvements. I'd much rather give priority to writing since that's more fun and I want to keep up my fast daily pace. This is why the css tweaks haven't happened yet - I was thinking of doing it yesterday but stuff came up.
I'd appreciate it if you did tell your friends about the site, though. We do need new blood and any and all promotion is a good thing.
>>14013 I'm not against having a different name or buying another domain. That's a discussion the community needs to have and decide upon. I don't want to force anything. If you have anything specific you'd like to run by me in private, you can find me on IRC.
>>14133 Speaking of which. The archived stories (possibly only older ones?) reference their stylesheets and scripts as HTTP, even when the page itself is now being served over HTTPS. Security flags get tripped everywhere, and nothing gets loaded.
By default this only happens for me on Chrome because Chrome sends an 'Upgrade-Insecure-Requests' header, which the server cheerfully acquiesces to. (Firefox will do the same thing soon, if it doesn't already: see FF bug 1243586. I may just need to upgrade.) This wouldn't be a problem if the server also sent the 'upgrade-insecure-requests' CSP directive* in return, but it doesn't.
* ("hey, browser, just pretend all the links and stuff in this thing are https, 'kay? thanks")
>>14140 I suppose you could find some way to disable or strip the Upgrade-Insecure-Requests header on your end. It's almost certainly a terrible idea, but it's at least theoretically possible. (It'd be far better to fix your proxy setup to work with HTTPS, though.)
Teruyo, what's up with this? I'm getting these left and right everytime I do anything. I had like three just trying to make the damn sadness thread last night, and I can't even load the homepage unless I switch to mobile data, else I get these errors.
>>14150 Dunno man, not sure what's wrong there. It ought to be working on virtually every modern browser and OS. In the months before the change, I made sure to test on as many browsers and OSes as possible. Can't reproduce that error with firefox on my android phone. Could you tell me what it says under 'Technical Details'? In fact, tell me more about your setup such as OS and browser versions while you're at it. Feel free to talk to me on IRC about this too, since it might be faster to figure out in real time.
>>14152 I'll not be home for another twelve hours ish, but until then I can tell you that I have FireFox v. 45.0.1, and am running OS version 45.0.1 on a pretty much new Driod Turbo 2. I'll get the technical details when I'm able to connect to my wifi again, but I can tell you that there wasn't any sort of "proceed" option on that screen,just some form of error I believe it was. In hindsight I really should have screenshot-ed the tech bit too before leaving.
>>14155 Unfortunately that's about as generic of an error message as it gets. And, since I can't reproduce the bug nor find something obviously wrong with your setup given the information you've given, I'm limited in what I can reasonably do. SSL/TLS is the kind of thing that's obvious if it isn't working right because both server software and browsers yell bloody murder if any one thing is misconfigured.
All of that said, I did tweak a few small things on intuition that ideally won't break anything for anyone else. Let me know if it still hangs for you. And, if it does, if the behavior persists with another mobile browser. Firefox is the strictest in some regards when it comes to defaults for encryption (which makes it all the more weird that I can't repro on either desktop or mobile as it's my primary browser).
>>14156 Thanks for the effort Teruyo, but I had it again as I was loading this thread to read your reply. At this point in inclined to believe that it's something on my end messing things up. Before I post this I'll try to load a few boards through overchan and dolphin to see if either of them work where firefox doesn't.
Yeah, dolphin pretty much confirmed that it's on my end. Fucking fortiguard fucking sucks. I don't know why fortiguard doesn't give a blocked page for Firefox, but on dolphin your wonderful site is blocked under pornography. I'll be seeing about getting that shit removed ASAP. By the way, I wish all admins and customer service people were as prompt and helpful as you are.
>>14157 >fortiguard So are you being filtered by your network or is it a service you have on your phone? If it's a program you have, try disabling it before trying with firefox again. It may be their blocking of the domain that's messing with ssl being accepted as valid on firefox and causing all sorts of craziness.
Also, we totally are a pornographic site so I don't think any appeal will be successful. /at/ aside, there's erotic stuff in stories all the time and that counts insofar these services are concerned. Usually these filters are dns-based, so just for browsing using the IP address in the url bar instead of the domain name gets around the issue.
All this talk of mobile browsing reminds me of my huge to-do list for the site which I've ignored for months. Posting an image of a touhou is easier than actually doing any work, so I'll do just that.
The fuck you talk about, this isn't porn, it's art. Why, just look at Scorn's old stuff. You can't tell me that's not artistic. Eh, I'll just Orfox my way through it, it's a network thing. I didn't want to use it because it fucking destroys my battery, but sacrifices must be made for the 2hus. >posting a picture of a touhou is easier than doing any of that work Teruyo plz.
>>14159 Getting a writer to update is pretty easy though. You just remind them that you're eager to read more, offer a few good 2hu images as tribute and he's sure to feel inspired. Failing that, you can always call him a lazy faggot that needs to get back to the plottan' fields. Even if he tells you to sod off, it's still better than no communication.
>>14161 For you, my friend, another image. It's the least I can do.
>>14162 Well at least it's Yuuka. Speaking of writing, I can't help but notice that you have this one story in /others/ that hasn't been updated since Christmas. Nigger, work, back to it, etc. It's been too long since I've read your things so I've forgotten your favorite 2hu, so have some happy triclops.
>>14163 Satori is alright but does little to set things in motion. Considering that it took around 3 months after my last post to get enough votes to continue, I'd say that there's a distinct lack of interest in my writing. And I can't resume a story with daily updates like it's intended to be run without readers, their interest and - most importantly - their votes. Out of my hands for the most part, I'm afraid.
More in-depth discussion about me, my stories and whatever else ought to be in some other thread. Let's keep this mostly about the site and the stuff that gets worked on.
That said: have yet another image because, why not?
Teru help ;_;Anonymous2016/05/29 (Sun) 21:00No. 14235▼
Teruyo, is there a way to move the "Hide watched threads" and "Refresh watched threads" icons at the top of the watched threads box like in pic related? Because right now it causes trouble with the links. I know I can just extend the box, but without that icons I can put more threads in less space. Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english.
>>14238 The reason it's inconsistent between boards is because no one has posted on some of the boards since Teruyo changed it, and that's necessary to see the new location.
Specifically, the server generates HTML whenever a post is made, and keeps that until a new post is made. There's no point in re-generating the webpage if nothing has changed after all... but some things, like moving the boards around, don't trigger the update.
Teruyo is it normal that every time I shut off my pc my list of watched threads vanishes? The box remains there but it's empty, I have to add them again every time. I'm using chrome and I haven't cancelled the cookies...
So, I vaguely remember someone at some point making a comment about there being more "color" boards than just /blue/ and /coriander/ and I decided to try some. Can someone tell me why, out of all the ROYGBIV colors, does Inidgo have a different colored 404 screen than the others?
>>14373 You're using the night theme, aren't you? The color scheme is identical to the night theme. I don't know why, but I experience the same issue as well. Things like /red/ are normal, but /indigo/ is included in the css's criteria, somehow.
Also, I tried Isolex's (hard to find a image background that isn't intrusive) but it has errors (a few 'empty rules' whatever that is) but with my luck he's already disappeared from the face of the Earth.
Mobile AccessibilityTeruyo!Wo5j3FYZRg2017/06/04 (Sun) 18:04No. 14937▼
I've added a "beta" CSS theme alongside a few tweaks on the board pages that should make the site a better experience for any mobile/small screen users. There are some things that are still rough around the edges/purposefully left unfinished such as:
-navigating between boards (will likely be a drop down menu) -navigating between board pages (same) -switching between CSS themes (that drop down menu will probably be moved/put next to the navigation one) -a few misc positioning of items, like the posting mode indicator above the postbox -actually switching in and out mobile view automatically on a first time visit
Those will be handled later after I get the more important bits ironed out. And that's where I need people who often use their phones to browse the site to pipe in. Select the 'mobile' CSS from the style selector and give me feedback on things like:
-Proportions of font sizes -Spacing between elements -Ease of navigation -whether logos should be cropped/gotten rid of -general usability/legibility
If something looks off please go into detail about what it is and how you think it can be improved. A screenshot is also potentially very helpful. I'm not exactly an expert on UI and aesthetics so I value any and all input. There's a lot that can use tweaking.
Make sure to mention if you're running an unusual resolution or something too. If you need to exit the CSS, there's a button on the bottom left of the page that should reset it back to chernobyl.
Normal desktop users: it'll obviously look weird for you guys, so don't bother looking with large viewing ports.
First of all, thank you. I do most of my reading on mobile, and now I can actually read the text without zooming in or switching to landscape. The screenshot is on a 5" 1080x1920 phone, so you can resize it on your computer for reference.
>Proportions of font sizes The thread titles/names are tiny, especially relative to the new post text size.
>Spacing between elements It looks good to me.
>Ease of navigation Most of the links are too small to tap properly. Currently, I have to zoom in on the list of boards to make sure I hit the right one.
>whether logos should be cropped/gotten rid of I'm going to assume you mean the page banner. Those are fine, but I'd rather they not overlap with the watched threads box. Maybe you could re-size them to fill the width of the screen?
>general usability/legibility I can read the text of posts. Everything else is secondary.
Wishlist: -The list of boards or the menu icon should float on the page as you scroll down. -Larger image thumbnails would be nice. -A notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updated would be amazing, but that's an unrealistic 'stretch goal'.
>>14939 Thanks for the feedback. I'm just replying to highlights where I can add clarity. In general, assume that I'm taking into consideration everything anyone posts in this thread.
>The thread titles/names are tiny I generally agree. But this is something that may or may not change depending on how it looks on smaller resolutions (say, on slightly older phones).
>Most of the links are too small to tap properly. Is this the case for links within the threads themselves (ie: links to other threads or external such as the pastebin link a few posts above)? That's more important to get right. I'm not concerned with the board list because that's just there temporarily.
>watched threads box. You can resize and drag the WT box. Try that. It's otherwise not something I'll be taking into account right now and I've hidden away the button for it in the mobile css to begin with while I work out how board/css selection will work.
>The list of boards or the menu icon should float on the page as you scroll down. This is the solution I had in mind and am looking to implement. It's not a guarantee and I may just go with static dropdown menus at the top and bottom. There's factors such as rendering times and page complexity to take into account. Too many bells and whistles and pages take too long to load and may not work properly on less modern devices. How the page is served was something designed over a decade ago and right now I'm working around limitations in a somewhat ugly way. I'm not prepared to do a partial or full rewrite right now because, when I do, I might as well change most of the backend stuff on the site.
>Larger image thumbnails would be nice. Not going to happen, sorry. Would have to change too much old code around and how thumbnails are generated in the first place.
>notification on the menu bar if a watched thread on one of the boards has been updated Not going to happen either. An overhaul of the WT functionality is something I had in mind but it's something relatively low priority. The mystery box, mobile stuff and a few other things all take precedence.
>small links It's mostly the [Reply] link at the top of each thread, but it's pretty easy to fatfinger the image/image expand as well. Also, the link in "message too long, click [here]" is smaller than the rest of the text in that sentence. On the rare occasion that someone does two 'above posts' links one after the other, it can be difficult to tap the right one. The same applies to posts with multiple 'replies' links, but that is less important.
>resize WT box I can resize it on my desktop, but not on my phone. I'm not in the habit of using it anyway; I just figured I should test everthing on the site.
>stuff that can't be done I understand. There's only so much that you can do with CSS, and legacy systems are suffering.
I think this is the most relevant thread to post my problem.
I can post images on /blue/ but not /others/. Tried it on my desktop (Chrome) and my phone (Safari). The error that comes up is "could not create thumbnail" and at the very top it says "unable to imagejpg."
Let's see if a screenshot of the error will post here...
I might as well post this here. RSS feeds have been spotty or just not working at all for the past week or two on most of the boards. /th/, /eientei/, /others/, and /blue/ seem to be working fine; the rest are borked.
Alright, so I've finally gotten closer to finalizing the mobile stuff for the site. The way it works now is that you can click on the "[Switch to Mobile Page]" bit on the bottom of any page to switch to the mobile view. Alternatively, the first time you visit the front page with a mobile device, it should automatically set the cookie needed for mobile view without you needing to do anything else (it doesn't set it again if you've explicitly opted out via hitting "Switch to Desktop Page" at the bottom).
There's a navigation bar that displays on top/scrolling up and you can switch to whatever css theme you like and it shouldn't make a difference.
As before, I'm looking for feedback on usability and whether there are any bugs encountered. Screenshot and/or resolution specifications are useful to me when suggesting tweaks. I obviously don't have that great a sense of aesthetic, so speak up or otherwise nothing will be changed. Don't be lazy, either. I know for a fact that there's a fair proportion of mobile users on the site. If there's no feedback in a while, I'll just assume all is good and move on to other stuff.
Things I already know about/am not touching right now: -Watched threads in mobile view -background color of navigation menu -size of thumbnails -mobile view not working on /i/ or the text board
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>>15197 Good work! I've checked it out today and it looks good. Bigger buttons are always helpful but... could you try to make the "Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same size as the ones from the top?
The 'Site Navigation' menu seems hard to hit and those pop up things are not my cup of tea, but I use a very old cellphone (Moto G) so I doubt my opinion is shared by many, if at all.
Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open. If it is closed, it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part. I expected it to send me back to the top and open the reply window. If it is intended, then nevermind.
Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated? Sometimes, you want to make a point-by-point reply and I really don't want to alternate between the top of the page and wherever the post I'm replying to is.
Finally, and this might be unrelated, but I was using the .thp site to escape my work's proxy... but now the site is not filtered anymore. Did you do any changes related to that or my filter fucked up? Either way: happiness!
>>15197 iPhone 6 here. Personally, I feel like the font size could be boosted on everything. Maybe it's just my aging eyes, but posts are just a tad hard to read. Additionally, the font size seems to vary between posts, so some show up smaller than others for some reason.
As to the navigation bar, I agree with the above anon that it's a little fiddly. Maybe it could just be persistent? It's also way too small, in my opinion. Another thing is a slight bug with it where going to another page, hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404. Lastly, it could probably use top and bottom buttons; the normal ones are small and awkward to hit without zooming in, and I use them a lot.
Ditto on reply weirdness described above. It doesn't seem to be inserting the post number at all in my experience.
Not a mobile thing, but I didn't know where else to address it: The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe. Not a huge deal but a bit of a gripe because I prefer the latter.
>>15198 >"Top" and "Bottom" buttons from the end of the page to be the same size Have removed them altogether, in the sticky menu now. Let me know if that's better or not.
>Selecting a post's number only works as usual if the reply box is open. It opens up the reply box now and scrolls up.
>it alternates between deleting the 'No' and the 'Number' part. Actually a separate issue, but fixed all the same.
>Is it possible to make the 'reply' box follow you around if activated? Not at the moment. I'm trying to keep things simple code-wise because of various reasons. Maybe in the distant future, after a few other site things are taken care of.
>not filtered anymore That's not up to me.
>>15199 >font size could be boosted This is something that I'd rather have more people chime in on before changing any more.
>the font size seems to vary between posts That shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce. Anyone else confirm? Failing that, any special details about your setup?
>hitting Back, and selecting Site Navigation gives a 404 Hopefully worked around.
>The Home button on the desktop site takes me to the Touhou-Project even when I'm on THP.moe. sadly a lot of the board software creates hardcoded links. I was aware of this but it doesn't have a straightforward solution. Also happens with posting and changing pages as you have noticed. I want to fix that in a non-hacky way if possible but because of that it's a lower priority to other things.
Anyhow, please give feedback on the latest changes, I'm sure that it can use a lot more tweaking. Browser-based test tools I have access too can't capture all the idiosyncratic behavior of real mobile devices.
>>15211 >That shouldn't happen and I haven't observed it or been able to reproduce.
Attached screencap. It might not be super clear, but there is a difference in the font sizes.
>Failing that, any special details about your setup?
The screencap's from Safari, but I was observing it in Firefox iOS 9.2 as well. On an iPhone 6 running iOS 11.0.3.
Can confirm that the navigation issues have been fixed and that the reply box/replying behaves as intended. The size of the navbar is a lot better, and the additional buttons improve things considerably. The element/font size (scaling? I guess the site is meant to be at least somewhat responsive) issue aside, it's pretty usable now.
One minor gripe: Are /at/ and /blue/ missing from the navmenu on purpose or is that an issue with the setup?
>font size issues The fact that it happens on the storylist as well leads me to believe that it isn't the fault of the new stuff I've rolled out, as I haven't touched the storylist page at all. It may be an ios-specific issue or something particular to your device. Not discarding the possibility that there's something that needs fiddling the site's end and I'm going to see what I can find but, honestly, I have no clue where to start. This doesn't happen on any other site? In the non-mobile view?
>>15214 >This doesn't happen on any other site? In the non-mobile view?
I went and checked a few other sites, including other imageboards; this was the only one that exhibited that behaviour. However, I did note that switching to desktop mode here showed the same issue. Not sure what conclusions to draw there, but there you have it.
>>15217 Which browser is that? I think that may only happen on chrome/blink-based browsers that I can see but I would like to make sure. Try Firefox (preferably, but if you try any other non-blink based browser that can also help) if you can as well, please, would help me narrow down problems.
>>15216 With iOS, safari? Some other setup? More info helps me narrow down potential causes.
>>15219 I'm still noticing the actual post elements being scaled down if they don't have a lot of text in them, but the text itself doesn't seem to suffer any notably ill effects for it now. I can live with it at this stage.
However, I did notice that the deal on the story list still happens.
>>15220 Yeah, haven't touched the storylist at all. That's a can of worms that I'm avoiding at this moment. If the rest of the image boards are fine or don't have any horrible issues, then I'm happy with things for now. I've got to triage work on the site given my limited time and resources which is why I can't really promise to do much more without having more data by other people who are affected by this. I didn't even get a confirmation if it happened only on iOS from that other guy (I'm assuming you're the earlier guy with the screenshots).
>>15226 Okay, I downloaded and tested it again, and while the posts fill the screen horizontally now, they're stuck on an absolutely massive font size with apparently no possibility to zoom out. Zooming in even further works fine.
I don't know that it matters, but this is on Lineage OS.
>>15227 Thanks for giving it a look. Have a bloodsucker not being very subtle.
The way the mobile stuff works is that you should be able to see max width of content without zooming out, so that's working as designed. The size of the font is something that could use tweaking, as it seems that there are differences in how each rendering engine deals with it. This probably requires at least a partial rewrite of css as well as extensive testing, and even then it's probably not guaranteed that it'll look uniform across browsers. Because web """standards""" are wondrously magical things. At any rate, I'll try doing a cleaner and more verbose solution soon. For now, "good enough" (and bigger fonts for webkit) wins out because I don't really have the time in the next few days and, if I do do site stuff, I'd rather finish tidying up a few other loose ends first.
Hopefully things should look uniform across all mobile browsers now. It may break at some point in the future and, since I don't really use my phone to access the site (let alone blink/webkit-based browsers), you should let me know if that happens. Also let me know if there's anything else I have overlooked. If there's no other outstanding issues in the next few weeks, I'll make it so all mobile clients (not just those who visit the front page) default to the mobile view.
/i/ and /words/ have been locked and removed from the board list. No one really uses them and, in the case of /i/, the drawing plugin is incompatible with newer software and replacing that would take an unreasonable amount of effort. There are other priorities for the site I'd rather get around to first. You can still access either board and look at posts and images as those will be kept online.
Lastly, if you use the thp.moe domain to access the site, you may have noticed that hitting links, posting and a few other things no longer redirects you to the other domain. I fixed that a few weeks ago but hadn't gotten around to announcing it.
Can't enlarge images while viewing a thread. Filename is greyed out as though archived.
Still works when viewing the boards, though, so maybe not intentional?
Also, minor gripe from ages ago: IQDB links in archived threads are broken. Need to manually change 'http' to 'https' in the URL. Doubt you can do anything about it, but if anyone as dumb as me has trouble searching an image, there's the workaround.
>>15262 >Can't enlarge images while viewing a thread Fixed, was a silly extra closing tag that snuck by after I was doing other work on the relevant file. Even after reviewing and testing, small stuff like that can be hard to notice since the effects aren't directly related to what you were otherwise doing. So, yeah, thanks.
>IQDB links in archived threads are broken >Doubt you can do anything about it Makes sense they were, hadn't occurred to me. Trivial to fix: just matching a pattern and replacing it with another (takes a single command), so don't sweat it.
>>15265 There was a second set, that's what I get for doing stuff right before going to bed. Definitely fixed now. How image expansion works is something I've wanted to overhaul for a while, just have to find the time.
Issue 1: For a couple weeks now the Watched Threads window hasn't been able to be changed in size or repositioned on seemingly any board but /i/. And, after changing in on /i/, switching boards leads to it going the the right as much as you made it wider. When I try to reposition it, it instead highlights it. When I try to expand it, it there are no expansion double-sided arrows at the edges.
Issue 2: For I think the same time, clicking M3 to scroll fast leads to the site going blank until I scroll again at a slower speed.
This isn't a mobile issue, and I'm using Chrome on Windows 7 if that helps.
>>15279 1) I think I may have a rough idea why that isn't working. Sadly, not a quick fix. I'll put it on my to-do list but don't expect it anytime soon since I'll likely be touching other related bits of code at the same time. There's underlying code that needs to be rewritten that affects more than just WT functionality.
2) Can't reproduce this. Latest Chrome? Does it also happen if you drag the scrollbar up and down quickly? I'd appreciate it if someone else on w7 could confirm as I'm not running it.
Dragging scroll bar doesn't do it from the few tests I just did. Just M3 dragging, and only when it's done as fast as possible, it seems. As for version, it's not telling me I have any updates to install at the moment, so I think that means most recent.
>>15293 tried FF, various chromium forks even seamonkey and navigated to every board. It works just fine, like in the webm I posted. Does that still happen in private/incognito mode? If it doesn't, there's something wrong on your end, probably a caching issue. Do a hard refresh (ctrl+f5) or clear the site's cookies/data in your browser settings.
Suggestion: A "search threads" box for searching for thread names and contents within those threads... which might just go through Google when that is set up, but hey, searching for thread names is a whole lot easier than going through all ten pages of each board, IMO.
So with the mystery box on the front page opened, here’s a quick run down on how the system works:
Q: What is it? At its most basic, it keeps track of the latest updates and prints them out on the front page. It’s a stepping stone to other things, still left mysterious for the moment.
Q: How do I use it? Simple! There’ll be a small box in when you go to post labeled “update” which you have to tick. You’ll need a tripcode and it needs to match the one in the original post (OP).
Q: What if I think tripcodes are for jerks and haven’t used one when writing before? Well, it’s your choice to opt out, but the system is set up so that random schmos can’t spam updates for established stories.
Q: Okay, your persuasive words changed my mind, how do I make it so the system works for me? Easy, adopt a tripcode (something in the namefield that follows either a # or ! character) and then tell me about it. Probably faster if you talk to me on IRC, since I gotta do due diligence and make sure you are who you are by checking your IP but I guess I’ll also be checking this thread.
Q: Why the hell did it take you so long to do something so simple? Well, it wasn’t that simple and there were a lot of other considerations and priorities I had to handle first. I'll probably talk about it some in the technical blog-y posts I put up on patreon.
Q: When will we see the box’s final form? All in good time. It’ll go through a lot of expansions and changes as other pieces fall into place.
>>15332 Done, my very paranoid friend. >>15334 Just to clarify: it will "just work" if you start a new thread or were using a trip all along. But I know that some authors use multiple aliases and write different stories under different ones. So feel free to ask me in private if you want that to remain under wraps. Or if you don't care but want a faster response, it's also cool to prod me. Else I'll just check the IP of your post here with a trip against the OP of whatever thread you link to and if they match, add a tripcode manually to the OP.
In case you haven't seen my posts elsewhere, you can contact me by talking to "Zer00" on rizon, I usually hang out on the channel #eientei. If you don't know how to use IRC, use the client on the front page under the IRC tab, just change the channel to #eientei (or /join #eientei if you're connected elsewhere).
>>15331 well alllrighty then, this is the trip I use...
That said I wonder about my IP. I'm pretty tech dumb but basically, often, I'm out and about due to my work. I work in several places, basically, and don't always update from home. Also got two computers. /SHRUG
Though I bet no one cares in the least, I've changed the entries by "Zer00' to "Teruyo" on the new items as that reflects my capitulation and acceptance of using my penname for administrative things completely. Way back when, nearly a decade ago, I wanted to make sure my identity as a writer was wholly separate to that of an administrator. Doesn't really seem to matter anymore so, to avoid confusion from maybe the one person or so who doesn't know it's me, I'm keeping the penname.
I decided to make public one of the occasional 'technical' posts I do on patreon. It's about the updated stories and some of the rationale and issues surrounding it. It might be interesting to some people, also explains why change tends to be gradual:
>>15351 Thank you very much. I'm glad to be able to communicate. But I'm terribly sorry, it's because of the network control rule in our side, it has a little bit strict. So I think there's only a small number of people coming. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
Teruyo, I've just noticed that if you enlarge a pic remaining into the threads page (so by clicking the name) the thumbnail disappears, and nothing happens. If you click again, the fullsized pic finally loads, but the thumbnail remains gone.
This only happens with recently-posted images though. Not sure how much recently, but yes this bug is not present for older pictures.
I've rolled out some new changes. There's a work in there as it's a complete overhaul of the scripts the site used to perform various tasks. You'll find a new menu in the top right labeled "Settings" that will allow you to customize your THP experience to an extent.
I think that there's a few features that you'll appreciate here and things like the mobile css has also been tweaked. Unfortunately, I decided to do away with the watched threads feature for the moment. It was a hard call to make but few of you use it regularly. Sorry all the same to those of you who do use it—there'll be a new and improved implementation of it somewhere down the line. Do also note that your selected stylesheet will have been reset, so just change it back and it'll stick.
Feel free to give me feedback on the new stuff or suggest things that you'd like to see.
Oh, I guess the only thing that's not self-explanatory is the keyboard navigation. Use the forward and backward arrow keys on the keyboard to switch between threads on board pages. It also works within threads, jumping between posts marked as updates. So it should make reading stories easier if the authors have bothered to mark posts.
>>15412 And here's what it looks like after I zoom it out manually. It looks fine for the most part, though I wish it just looked like that by default, and it would also be nice if everything wasn't hanging to the left. I've no idea how one would go about fixing that, though, so that's about how much my view on this is worth.
>>15413 >>15412 That's odd, I can't reproduce it. I was regenerating boards to propagate other changes just earlier so maybe you were served an incomplete page that set something incorrectly in the cache or something? If it still doesn't work, please try deleting the data you have stored for THP (cache, cookies etc). If someone else can reproduce that, please let me know.
Okay, spent a bit of time playing around. Thanks for all your hard work! I think the old behaviour should have been the default to minimize confusion (Where are my backlinks!? No seriously why would you want to turn them off!?), but that's just my phone OS cheese-moving hackles showing. I'll learn to set it up on each visit soon enough, just like the theme.
One thing that does bug me though is the new pic scaling. I know all the cool kids have been doing it for ages, but I honestly don't know why. Fullscreen thumbnails are ugly as sin, and now I can't see the new pic until it's fully loaded, which can take several minutes on my crappy connection. Can I get an off switch sometime?
>changing settings while typing a message erases the message You mean like hitting "save settings"? It reloads the page so the options come into effect so, yeah, things like input for fields or your navbar or whatever else will generally be forgotten. That's on the browser. iirc there are some browser extensions that save data in forms and fields automatically but you'll have to look for those yourself since I can't remember their names, sorry.
>>15420 >Where are my backlinks The thinking was to minimize visual clutter on mobile devices. Funnily enough, though it was 'enabled' by default for a while the original site code didn't have backlinks, I added it (well, modified someone else's code) years ago. Guess people got used to them. I fully intend to make a relevant settings menu for mobile at some point, I just wanted to get stuff out sooner rather than a hypothetical later since I have a lot of other things I need to work on.
>new pic scaling I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean clicking on the file name switches the thumbnail to the full-sized image? That's how it was always. It was redone code-wise but the behavior should be the same as far as the end user is concerned. I guess I can add that as an option to not do that at all down the line.
> The thinking was to minimize visual clutter on mobile devices.
So why's it default off on desktop?
I mean, it's only a problem for me 'cause I'm paranoid and don't save cookies, but it still feels like a regression.
> That's how it was always.
Uh, sorry, but no. Prior to the update, clicking on the filename would replace the thumbnail with a big blank box where the full-size image would then load. Now it blows the thumbnail up to fill that space and stays that way until the full-size pic is completely loaded, just like, say, Danbooru.
Whether that was the intended behaviour before or not, I still find it pointless and annoying, especially since most of the pics are progressive JPEGs anyway.
>>15425 You were ambiguous and mentioned phones. Without clearer information all I can do is make educated guesses as to what you mean.
I don't plan on adding default settings at all, sorry. Settings (and now your selected style sheet) are stored as localstorage, not cookies, at any rate. If you're concerned about tracking, that's mitigated with same-origin policy and https.These days you're only really boned on that front if someone has physical access to your machine but the same can be said about all security. I may one day add and export and import functionality to the settings so you can keep and transfer them easily but it's honestly way down low on my list of things I need to be working on.
As for images, that's unlikely to change as that would add needless code complexity for what's basically matter of preference. Between all the inline and external scripts and other stuff I removed and simplified, each page loaded is several dozen kb lighter than it was before. Not to mention slightly more efficient in some areas when it comes to manipulating the DOM. So no, it's not "pointless" at all.
>>15426 > You were ambiguous and mentioned phones. Without clearer information all I can do is make educated guesses as to what you mean.
Sorry about that. I really need to learn not to post when I should be asleep. Or in a coma.
Also gotta learn how not to sound like an ungrateful bastard, it seems. I am grateful you're doing this stuff, even if all I ever seem to do is complain about it. Seriously. I love this site, and I love you for keeping it running. No homo.
> I don't plan on adding default settings at all, sorry.
I wasn't asking you to add anything. What I meant to say is I would have made a "Disable backlinks" checkbox rather than an "Enable backlinks" one. But you're not me, and I'm not working on this site, so of course it's up to you. I'll deal.
> If you're concerned about tracking, that's mitigated with same-origin policy and https.
More like privacy on a shared computer. Basically I use incognito mode, or whatever it is they call it in your browser of choice. Nothing you can do about it, and I wouldn't expect you to. Just explaining why I'd prefer the defaults different to what you've made them, since I gotta set 'em every time I visit and all. But again, I dug that hole myself. Sorry I brought it up and confused things.
> So no, it's not "pointless" at all.
I get that the under-the-hood stuff had to happen. And I have noticed stuff loads faster on my dialup-grade connection now, which is awesome. But I assumed, as a non-technical user, that telling a browser to scale one image, wait for another to load, and then replace the old one with the new one would require more work, not less. If that's not the case, well, I learned something new today.
But if it is, then that's the only bit I'm complaining about. If you don't wanna add an option to turn it off, that's cool. It says "feedback" in the thread title, so I posted my feedback. If I worded it bad, well, that's why I'm not writing cool stories. Sorry about that. If you don't want that kind of feedback, just say the word and I'll shut up.
>>15427 >Or ignore me. Saging a post that's actual feedback might accidentally accomplish just that!
>Also gotta learn how not to sound like an ungrateful bastard It didn't really come off as that, just a bit weird. I was a little worried that I came off a little too aloof and not caring (or even arrogant!) as text isn't the best for reading other people's emotions or even explaining one's actual attitude.
>What I meant to say is I would have made a "Disable backlinks" Yeah, would rather have people turn things 'on' rather than 'off'. But I'll think about that as I add more features I have planned. What's probably best in regards to settings and options that are exposed isn't quite set in stone. Though I want to be consistent and pain-free as possible for users.
>More like privacy on a shared computer. Basically I use incognito mode, or whatever it is they call it in your browser of choice. Sure, gotcha. Importing/exporting settings might help you there when I get that done.
>telling a browser to scale one image, wait for another to load, and then replace the old one with the new one would require more work, not less. I can't really speak for the inner workings of a browser but from my perspective the current code is cleaner. As the old code created a special new part of the page where then it would have a 'new' image inserted which would then be loaded. There is no longer those extra bits in every post and instead it outright replaces the thumbnail with the full image according to some data it scrapes (which it also scrapped for the previous method, albeit in a different format). Why it looks blown up is probably due to how the individual browsers cache information while an asynchronous request is being processed. A shit explanation, I know, but I hope it's clear enough to more or less follow.
>It says "feedback" in the thread title, so I posted my feedback And please never stop doing so! It is appreciated a lot. I wish more people bothered to offer feedback as I can't possibly catch every single corner case or bug on my own. Or even appreciate how people actually use the site on a daily basis. The latter is really helpful for knowing what I should focus on next code-wise.
>>15429 > Saging a post that's actual feedback might accidentally accomplish just that!
brb headbutting a tree
> A shit explanation, I know, but I hope it's clear enough to more or less follow.
That fwooshing sound you're hearing is technical jargon giving me a new hairdo as it sails overhead. Thanks for the effort though.
All I want is my progressive JPEGs (and the other pics) to actually be, well, progressive. Going from blocky to blurry to loli over five minutes is a lot less boring then HOLY SHIT I NEED GLASSES ... HOLY SHIT I STILL NEED GLASSES ... MAYBE I SHOULD GO MAKE SOME oh hi Koishi.
But if it's a no-can-do then I'll take your word for it.
Not sure if this is a glitch or if you meant to change this, but I noticed that posts no longer show all the replies to the post anymore.
So for example: >>15426 I just replied to post 15426. Post 15427 also previously replied to 15426. However, neither of these replies are listed in post 15426, when in the past you used to be able to see the replies along the top next to the post number.
Also, you used to be able to place your mouse over the red reply link for a few seconds, and a little preview of the original post would show up next to your mouse. That doesn't happen anymore, so you have to actually click on the link to see what the post was replying to, which depending on how spread out the posts are could make the conversation difficult to follow.
>>15432 That would be unrelated to the changes, most likely. Just how special characters are parsed (the apostrophe) when the pages are built and it just happened to get cut off. Not much I can do without editing the post somehow, sorry.
Thought I'd let you know that there's a pair of new options available in the settings. There's also been a few under-the-hood changes but you shouldn't really notice those, ideally. I've talked more about all that in the Patreon if you're curious. As always, feel free to let me know of any issues or suggestions.
>>15485 >I noticed you put an ugly black box around the paginator for some reason. Not exactly. It always had an inline style with a border but it didn't display properly because original coders did a shitty job at following standards and outputting valid code. Fixing errors and moving things to external stylesheets makes it display as it was intended. It is ugly, I agree.
>In the last change you upped the size of the filename line Nope, haven't touched that at all. Same as it always has been. If you look at the css, the filename text is 20% smaller in most styles.
>Clicking on a post number straight from the board used to take you to the reply box. It takes you to the new thread box now, and has for a while, which has tripped me up more than once. I don't know what you mean. Clicking at the "No" should highlight and open up the thread while clicking on the number following it inserts the post number into the reply box. This is the same behavior as always. Are you perhaps confusing it with 4chan which now opens a quick reply box on the side instead of taking you to the main reply box?
>There's no space between poster name and post date anymore. There is. Also hasn't changed. See image.
>rounded corners That's on the people who made the themes. As most of these people simply copied a theme and changed the color, they inherit the other decisions. Futaba and Burichan have square boxes—use 'em instead.
And, no, trust me, you haven't actually noticed most of the changes if you're just complaining about these things. Which is good.
>>15488 >Differences are the same with Chernobyl. In both the 2011 page, other random points and the present the file info text has always been smaller than the main text (0.8em, specifically). This is both on FF61 and Chromium 68 and I'm also on Linux (though not Debian).
You do seem to be right about the lack of space. I had to clear the cache of my browser to notice it, oddly enough. Shouldn't have had to do that as it wasn't a CSS thing and HTML pages are regenerated often. Not sure when that happened. Fixed at any rate.
>quoting posts I hadn't noticed the difference in behavior before it was pointed out tbh. That said, I'm not sure I'd change it as it makes quoting from multiple posts at the same time way easier. If you want to select a thread, the quick reply button is there. I may at some point put up a small list of threads on a board page but I'll have to think about it.
>One has rounded boxes, one does not. I didn't say it hasn't changed, just that it's on the people who made them. Rounded corners were always there, albeit disabled due to a mistake in the stylesheet. That was "fixed" a while ago when tracking down validation errors. Whether the people who derived their style sheet from "photon" also wanted that, I don't know. But they either aren't around or haven't complained. Our last two additions (dusk and photondb) came way after the correction and they also have rounded corners.
>>15489 > I had to clear the cache of my browser to notice it, oddly enough.
Doing the same fixed the font size for me. Chromium doesn't seem to ever revalidate stylesheets or scripts, even on F5. Maybe it's time I switched browsers...
> That said, I'm not sure I'd change it as it makes quoting from multiple posts at the same time way easier.
...I don't see how it does...? Previously I could read the latest post in the thread preview, click one link and start typing a reply. Now that same link lets me start typing a new thread with a reply to a post in the old one.
I don't see any reason why you'd want to start a new thread with a reply to a post in another thread. Or at least, not enough of a reason to favour it over the above. If I wanted to reply to multiple posts (out of at most four!) from the thread preview I'd have to either click the "No" (or "Reply") to bring the thread up first, or click(x4), copy, click and paste - either way it's no faster than it used to be.
> But they either aren't around or haven't complained.
True. But since the only people who'd still be using Photon are novophobic old bastards like me, would it be much trouble to have [a version of] it with the broken features removed instead of fixed?
Failing that, anybody know a good plugin to let me override it locally? There's so many malware plugins floating around these days and I haven't been keeping up.
>>15491 It did until just two days ago (after any other changes were made so it wasn't just that). Implemented partly through http-equiv metas in the html and partly through the webserver. I eliminated the former due to lack of efficacy and not conforming to spec (holdover from experimental xhtml days when the original board software was written) and the latter hasn't come back because I have been testing a few other things and prefer to work on one thing at a time. It's definitely meant to come back.
>>15490 >...I don't see how it does...? I see where you're coming from and in practical terms most of the userbase would probably only reply to a single thread or, even, post. Guess besides the other reasons, it boils down to me not wanting to make the quick reply button utterly superfluous.
>novophobic "Neophobic". All these neologisms use Greek roots... sorry, don't mean anything by it, just a little pet peeve of mine.
>plugin to let me override What you'll want here is something that lets you edit the css of websites. Not sure about chromium but I use Stylus on FF. You'll want to change the border-radius propery on the "reply" class.
Oh wow, you're right. I have absolutely no idea where I got "novophobic" from. I made a mental note to spell it that way because I'd never seen "novo-" before, and the place where I read it stuck in my mind well enough to track it down again... but it says "neophobic", and always has.
Next thing you know I'll be living in an igloo and freezing frogs all day.
I\'m ready to announce and detail a lot of the features I\'ve been working on for the past few weeks. Some of them have already been live on the site for a while, running in the background or to be found if you clicked in the right places. Reagardless, they\'re all live now and I think that there\'s plenty to enjoy here:
Archive CSS - For some time since we moved away from older scripts, you couldn\'t change the style on older archived threads. Been fixed and some links and other things have been fixed as well.
Coins and their flipping - Trying to break a tie or stuck between two options on a vote? Use [coinflip] to give you a random result in your post.
Expand all images - was broken for a while until I was told about it a few weeks ago
Mobile Madness - A rather large overhaul for mobile users. Shuold be cleaner, easier to use and more consistent across browsers and devices
Post previewing - Ever felt like seeing what your post would look like before posting it? Now you can! Has clever little touches like clicking on the message too long link to see the rest of the post
Watched Threads - An old feature that\'s come back from retirement better than ever. Keeps track of stories across boards and even tells you when there\'s been an update.
Etc - There\'s plenty of other minor fixes to the user-facing portions of the site as well as backend optimizations, cleanups and improvements.
Now, I\'m sure that there\'s a lot that still needs to be tweaked and there are a few quirks and known issues to the above. The mobile changes, in particular, I know will likely require some more fiddling to get just right. I appreciate detailed bug reports and feedback. There\'s plenty to discover here and lots of details I omitted but I hope you\'ll enjoy finding them.
Lastly, I know it\'s a bit of a bummer to bring it up at all but if I\'d appreciate it if you\'re able to donate to THP if you\'re not already doing so. We\'re good when it comes to funding the monthly running of the site, so don\'t worry about that. Nontheless, yours truly is alone when it comes to running things and programming in particular is often very manhour-intensive (besides typing in code there\'s research, testing, fixing bugs and having to deal around with old code one way or the other). I do what I do for THP because I love this place and won\'t stop but extra donations definitely help in increasing the amount of time I can dedicate to site stuff. It offets other opportunity costs in my life. And it\'s not like this work can be reliably outsourced either — non-hobbyists charge a pretty penny for any amount of coding and design work.
There\'s still a lot of work to be done such as continuing to modernize the site, adding new features and tools for authors and readers, and eventually producing a better archives system. Beyond that, I have bigger plans for THP and its community but we\'ll cross that bridge when we get to it. I can just tell you that I\'ll be working as much as I can, whenever I can. With all that said, I hope you can all continue to enjoy the site and our special community.
...which shouldn't really surprise me, now that I think about it...
Anyway, new stuff is awesome, but some old stuff is still here:
- Story list links are still HTTP.
- Post number links in thread previews are still useless because they start a new thread.
- Full-size images are still hidden until fully downloaded.
I assume these are all won't-fix/not-a-priority/nobody-but-you-gives-a-damn-so-shut-up-already-you-lazy-whiner?
Plus (I think) new ones:
- Pages flash white for a second before the theme kicks in. Jarring with a dark theme.
- Banner takes (a lot) longer to load, doesn't load at all if scripts are off, right-click -> open in new tab doesn't work.
(Dunno if it was like that before. I was fiddling with a new adblocker to stop it nixing anything with "banner.gif" in the name and couldn't figure out why it still wasn't visible, until I realized I'd turned off scripts while isolating the problem.)
Sorry in advance for wasting even more of your time. I'll go back to voting on stories that never update.
>>15553 >Story list links are still HTTP. storylist isn't my thing. Will eventually make one with blackjack and hookers a better everything. Links redirect anyways to https on a server level.
>Post number links in thread previews are still useless because they start a new thread. Assuming you're the same dude as last time, working as designed.
>Full-size images are still hidden until fully downloaded. Same. Not worth the code complexity to do it like before. Decision may be revisited way down the line, after just about everything else is sorted.
>Pages flash white for a second before the theme kicks in. Jarring with a dark theme. Haven't observed that. More info needed like is it on every load, if across different browsers and so forth.
>Banner takes (a lot) longer to load, doesn't load at all if scripts are off, right-click -> open in new tab doesn't work. That part hasn't been changed in... a long time. And yeah, they've depended on a script for rotation for years, won't work with scripts off. Most of the user-facing changes won't. Would be nice to get confirmation from other people if there's been a regression or code elsewhere that's interfering with it (shouldn't be as they're their own section that doesn't interact with anything else but computers).
>Sorry in advance for wasting even more of your time. I'll go back to voting on stories that never update. s'fine. It's a little lonely to see so many threads, so few new posts day in and day out. Do actually go vote in stuff, not much of that happening these days either.
>>15554 > Assuming you're the same dude as last time, working as designed.
Yup, and I still think it's dumb, 'cause I still keep clicking on it to reply, only to have to scroll back down and click two more times each to get the desired result.
> Not worth the code complexity to do it like before.
Fair enough, but Kizin's penchant for hueg GIFs is making it really annoying on my end. If the updates weren't hueg too I'd be able to read the whole thing before I see the first frame.
> More info needed like is it on every load, if across different browsers and so forth.
Every load of every page, with every theme except Chernobyl, using Chromium on Linux. Switching themes (including to/from Chernobyl) also takes several seconds now, when it used to be instant, and Chernobyl's rad symbol is gone. (Or did you nix that on purpose? I don't remember, I hate Chernobyl.)
Don't have any other systems/browsers to test with, but if you want me to try anything else (for any bug), just holler. Not like I got much else to do in my THP reading time right now.
> That part hasn't been changed in... a long time.
If everything's a script then whatever's slowing the themes might be slowing the banner as well.
...now that I look, every time I change the theme the browser is waiting for a round-trip to the server. It comes back 304 but I have a ping of like 2000 so it takes a while. Did you happen to fix that cache control/expiry issue recently? If so, it may be working as intended after all.
> Do actually go vote in stuff, not much of that happening these days either.
I check every board (except /at/) every day and vote on everything I read. Which isn't every story, I'll admit, but it's something.
>>15555 >Yup, and I still think it's dumb Two solutions here: You could use the floating post box feature or I could make it an option to have alternative behavior for reflinks sometime in the future. Problem is that IIRC you don't keep site settings because of private browsing, so both are kind of useless in your particular case.
>Switching themes (including to/from Chernobyl) also takes several seconds now, when it used to be instant Nothing about that has been changed. Though I think that the system could be optimized. Not something I'm going to do right away, that said, as that kind of thing is tedious and time-consuming (requires a lot of analysis and iteration of code/testing). Mostly it's because I have limited time (time is money as the cliche goes and I gotta survive, part of the point of reminding people to donate if they can). Conceptually, I have an idea or two that is probably worth exploring but no promises or ETA.
>Chernobyl's rad symbol is gone. Gone for a long time now, actually. I think you're the first to bring it up.
>Did you happen to fix that cache control/expiry issue recently? Well, caching was gone for a period of like two weeks only - whenever that was brought up, while I looked into a couple of things. So it's odd that it's happening now as opposed to for a while now. Eventually I'll be a little more aggressive about caching certain things on the pages... once again given enough available time and capabilities. Probably medium-term thing, after there's less chance that I have to change content that's served to add more features.
>Which isn't every story, I'll admit, but it's something. Way more than 90% of regular visitors, let me tell you that. You wouldn't believe how many people seem to read stories regularly and just not vote.
I'm not sure if this is intended or not, but on generation of a post, every coinflip is the same within that particular post. I won't ever need to flip a coin more than once, but I'm sure it'll bother other people.
>>15557 Oh, it most definitely works. It just currently only does the replacing once per post, meaning that using Coin flip: tails! more than once is pointless. Limitation of the board software. May work around that in the future, just not for the initial implementation. It's... not as simple as you might expect due to how posts are generated.
You know that "How to survive on THP" thread that has been stickied to the top of /gensokyo/ for years? Its not stickied anymore. Did you mean to do that, or did these new updates screw with the stickied threads?
>>15561 Unstickied both threads. Felt it was overdue.
>>15560 You know, I'm genuinely surprised we haven't seen more crossover stories with the sonic fandom. They certainly are, well uh, passionate. And not shy.
Also guess I'll Coin flip: heads! every post here to see how long probabilities will fuck with me.
On another note, seems I may have borked something about watched threads before deployment, as it shouldn't be counting the posts you make when deciding if there's been a new one. Will add to my list of stuff.
>>15556 > You could use the floating post box feature
...what? The floating post box doesn't gain me anything, and it takes three clicks and a page load to open and close!
Anyway, I finally figured out the quick reply button. Apparently I'm a fairy or something, holy shit. Now your previous response makes sense. It's still two clicks instead of one, but at least I don't need to wait for a 200-post thread to load in between.
If it doesn't bother anyone else - and start this all over again - I'd suggest getting rid of the quick reply button and making all the post number links do that. The common case of someone F5ing the board can now post a reply in one click, without accidentally starting a new thread again (fuck you muscle memory). On the once-in-a-blue-moon occasion you actually want to start a new thread with a reply, it still only takes one more click.
Or you could make that an option instead, and add another thing I have to set every time I visit the site. Which as you said wouldn't solve my problem, but I'm just one user.
I've changed some things and you'll have to set your default style again. And your settings. Bit of a drag, I know, but it was necessary and it's unlikely to happen again in the foreseeable future. So if you were checking this thread for that, there you have it: not a bug.
Most other changes are quality of life improvements, enhancements and bug fixes to the recently introduced features. I'm not going to bother listing them but the most noticeable relate to the watched threads, post preview and coin flip features. The flips, particularly, are now limited to five in a post and yield independent results. And settings like local timestamps work in more places, including the front page.
It's now also possible to import and export the site's settings in the settings menu. This includes the watched and hidden threads as well you may have. If you use different browsers or multiple machines, probably somewhat useful to have.
Dice are also in. Meant to have it ready for last time, but had to work around and rewrite some of the board software first. Example roll: 1d20+2. Place in brackets, modifier optional. I haven't made up my mind on the limitations for the number of dice and maximum values and that is subject to change. A pretty useless feature that I think is unlikely to be used seriously in stories. But, hey, feel free to prove me wrong.
There's more, including a secret feature I'm keeping close to my chest until the end of the month, and a whole slew of optimization changes and rewrites. And even an easter egg or two. But yeah, probably more fun if you discover things yourselves. At least for me. It's tedious to do proper changelogs as it's usually reductive of tons of hours, dozens of commits and hundreds of lines of code changed.
>>15631 As we have no user accounts, you need at least something to limit potential abuse from some internet guy deciding to troll people into believing there was an update. Can't give that permission on a per-ip basis because, you know, people have dynamic ips and sometimes use the site in multiple locations. And allowing only the writer of a particular story to set a timer in their updates keeps control in their hands and neatly avoids random people just creating them on the page. It's limited to a single active timer per thread, to avoid performance issues as well. Who here hasn't encountered a site with a million js elements that auto-update and make the whole thing a laggy mess? I wanna avoid that.
Needing a tripcode is a simple and elegant solution to multiple problems that's neither exceedingly onerous to users nor is it especially complicated to implement on the code-side of things.
>>15632 There is a maximum future time that can be set though I don't recall off-hand what it is. Probably about a month or maybe six weeks. You can't set a time in the past either, obviously. Oh and "last" as in the latest timer on the page, not as in previous.
> As we have no user accounts, you need at least something to limit potential abuse from some internet guy deciding to troll people into believing there was an update.
Except exactly that was possible for over a decade, and THP survived just fine on the honor system, occasional newbie flaming notwithstanding. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Besides, there are perfectly valid reasons why someone other than the author should bump the story, like if the author forgot, or (I'm looking at you YAF) deliberately saged their update.
> Who here hasn't encountered a site with a million js elements that auto-update and make the whole thing a laggy mess? I wanna avoid that.
Now this I can get behind.
Still think it's a bit heavy-handed for a simple clock, though; why shouldn't normal users be able to make one? If performance is an issue, you could have a 'click to show countdown' link, so only one is running at a time.
Or just sic your adblocker on it, like I have to do to the CPU-raping snow every Christmas anyway.
>>15637 >It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Yeah, nah. I'm the guy who has had to deal with moderation, disruptions and all sorts of bullshit for about a decade here. Sorry but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
>deliberately saged their update Saging a post has no effect on whether or not it's marked as an update. It appears on the front page and it shows up in the watched threads list.
>why shouldn't normal users be able to make one? Because it's a tool intended to be used only with updates to mark when the story will next get an update or how much time there is until voting closes. Feel free to present a highly-improbable use case where some internet guy has to create a timer in a thread that's not his and that other people would care about because reasons.
>CPU-raping snow Oh, you mean the same one that always has a toggle at the bottom of the page?
It takes so little effort to just mark a post as an update from an author that honestly you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You're deliberately ignoring my reasoning and ten years' worth of experience over the slightest of inconveniences that no one else seems to care about. This is not going to change and you're just going to have to deal with it. And please spare me snide comments or angry (and subsequently deleted) rants because they do much less to persuade me than this.
>>15639 >And someone who intentionally sages a post is hardly going to mark it as an update >I didn't hear your reasoning Yeah, can't really do anything about that. It's an optional feature and some people are uncomfortable about trips or even the premise of marking as an update. That's fine by me. My general attitude is to always make something opt in, painless as possible for the writer while still being sane to maintain (both code-wise and manpower-wise, don't really want to repeat the mess that's the story list).
I'm too lazy to go into it with more details but that's the gist of the design intent and the reasons why things on the site are the way they are. You're just going to have to trust me that I've thought about these things a lot, I guess. I do talk about the rationale of stuff in the patreon posts, I think I made one of them public a while back if you're interested (assuming you're not a patron).
I don't mind engaging people in good faith but, sheesh, it does get to me when I post an explanation (like >>15633) just have it discarded out of hand. I don't want to be a dick but you internet people need to realize you're dealing with another fellow person and ease up sometimes. Personally, I don't expect thanks or praise ever but it is nice to feel that others are on the level at least. I feel the same way about the stuff I write and read as well but that's a whole different tangent. As a final follow up thought: I'll apologize if I come off as hostile at times because it's usually not the intention.
>The one that only works until I load a new page? You see, that's something that's interesting for me to know and you should have posted about in this thread. AFAIK it all worked just fine.
The character counter which determines whether a post is too long is not consistent with the character counter inbuilt with the post box. I noticed this when writing a long update below the max of 30k characters (according to both google docs and the postbox), but apparently exceeding 30k characters upon posting. This is not an issue I consider that impactive, and all it resulted in was me splitting my post. I thought you would like to know.
Thanks for the other stuff. Post preview is a blessing.
I'm a little new around here — is there some page I can view or url wizardry I can do to see more than the last ten latest story updates like on the front page? I'm aware of the story list, but that doesn't really fulfill the same niche, you know?
this is probably the wrong thread for this question
>>15645 Maybe not the wrong thread as such but the answer is that it's not currently possible. Probably the best way to currently keep track of updates beyond the front page is using the watched threads feature. The number of posts will turn red when someone marks a post as an update.
>>15646 Well, I was actually trying to use it to grab new living stories to read, rather than keep up with ones I'm already reading. Also, as I'm smelly dumb phone posting scum the thread watcher is kind of janky
>>15653 The thread watcher does take a randomish amount of time to update, somewhere between 10-18 minutes iirc. That is intentional. It should account for your own posts, though it can get screwy if you have multiple tabs of the site open at once and you're navigating around on some/all of them. Not much I can do if you do have multiple tabs open. Let me know if that's not the case and I'll look into it.
>>15656 There is something that might be able to mitigate the tab issue but I'm working on other stuff atm. Maybe at the end of the month or a bit later when I merge the next wave of changes. No promises though, have other priorities.